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Greenland

  • 20-01-2026 08:37PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,641 ✭✭✭✭


    The behaviour of Mango Mussolini is truly bizarre and I question whether he has dementia or actually having a mental crisis. Do we actually think Trump will take Greenland by force or is this all smoke and mirrors to distract from Epstein/Financial debt/ etc

    The only winner from all this is Putin. I know that their is a strong independence movement in Greenland but surely they must think they are better off with a loose connection to Denmark rather than the alternative.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Could be syphilis from Epstein Island.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,959 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The story coming out about Greenland is that a bunch of influential billionaires want that landmass to turn it into some weird low regulation business hub.

    I don't think that Trump has any particular cognitive disease other than regular old person brain. He's just an ignorant buffoon who's easily swayed.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Greenland could be strategic for missile defense (offence?) or fossil fuels in the Arctic?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    And they have agreements with the US which I'm sure could be strengthened through something other than this nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,871 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I think things are dire, particularly since I don't think US milltary platitudes about defending their constitution mean anything.

    The Pentagon has unleashed a shockwave among NATO allies after placing about 1,500 elite soldiers from the 11th Airborne Division, the famous "Arctic Angels", on high alert for a possible deployment on US soil.

    At a time when Donald Trump has declared that "the world is not safe without total U.S. control over Greenland," sending Arctic warfare specialists to manage urban riots in the Midwest seems more like a disinformation maneuver aimed at masking a northerly force of intimidation.

    The logistical paradox is hard to ignore even for less savvy observers, as homeland security missions are traditionally managed by the U.S. National Guard, not assault units trained for extreme cold conditions.

    Malcolm Nance, a former U.S. Navy intelligence officer, has publicly warned that the activation of the "Arctic Angels" is an unequivocal indicator of a possible incursion into Greenland, calling the justification related to Minnesota an attempt at "gross deception."

    This mobilization comes amid increasingly aggressive rhetoric by President Trump, who has refused to rule out the use of military force to annex the resource-rich island and has conditioned the lifting of the 25% trade tariffs imposed on Denmark and seven other European nations on the acceptance of a "bargain" for this autonomous territory.

    The minute a C-17 lands and starts disgorging troops, the Danes should tell them no more and enforce that with their F-35s.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,871 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Greenland already offered them whatever bases they want. Krasnov want's to own it to gain historical recognition - a theory I don't buy - or Putrid gives the orders and this is how he kills NATO.

    Most of Greenland is under an ice sheet km thick, so this minerals talk is a smokescreen. There aren't even any roads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    After the sh1t show with Venezuela I can’t see any appetite for this domestically. I know there’s a hardcore MAGA base impenetrable to facts but they would win the mid-terms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,788 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    His rambling TruthSocial posts and his trainwreck rally speeches are the signs that the lights are on but no one is home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,871 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Trump is forcing things in Minnesota so that he gets a pretext for using the insurrection act. If he does that, there won't be any midterms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Between the UK approving a new Chinese embassy and Denmark selling off US bonds, we are starting to get actual decisions that the US may not like.

    https://thecradle.co/articles/denmarks-akademikerpension-moves-to-dump-us-treasuries

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/new-chinese-embassy-approved-despite-warning-security-risks-cannot-be-eliminated-1855627.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The US is no longer a trustworthy partner. There will be some pain but I think the EU and the UK (which should rejoin ASAP) need to pivot away from Washington and become more self-reliant.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,175 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The insurrection Act doesn’t allow elections to be postponed or canceled.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    While the optics and politics around it are awful, I actually think Denmark would be kind of foolish to not accept 700 billion if it were offered. That's $2,000 per US citizen and it ends up being $116,000 per Danish citizen, or 1.5x their GDP.

    Give some money to any Greenlander who wanted to relocate to Denmark and put the rest in a sovereign wealth fund, or loan it to European governments for cheap in order to massively ramp up military spending.

    It's like your enemy offering to buy some unused strip of land for millions and then you hold onto it while they consider squatting on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,871 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Laws no longer mean much in the US, now do they? The Police are not going to enforce laws against troops; ICE keeps breaking laws multiple times every single day and there is no one stopping them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    The older you get, the less capable you are of engaging in any debate whatsoever. It's sad to watch.

    Like what I said is not nonsense. It is an opinion. I don't know why you're linking to a video of some random woman in response to my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I pointed out a reasonable flaw in your argument and you've resorted to insults. I think that shows which one of us can't debate.

    What you said was nonsense and I pointed out why. I won't be wasting any more time on this.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    For anyone else, I am happy to debate this.

    If the ultimatum actually came down to take the money or we take it by force, and European leaders thought this was a legitimate binary choice and threat, then I would say taking the money would have to be considered. It would stave off a collapse of NATO even if done under duress, and the money could be used to build up European defences. At least it would give Denmark an out and a way for Europe to somewhat save face if the alternative is America just taking it and Europe not being able to do anything about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭aero2k


    That's a great clip - such a contrast with DJT in terms of speaking coherently and knowing the value of things rather than just the price.

    Actually it's relevant to the discussion on the Trump thread about European vs. US standard of living. If you're driven by greed, and it seems a significant % of US citizens are, then you'll never have enough.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I'm confused what this actually has to do with European leaders at all (bar Denmark)?

    Are these European leaders going to throw Denmark under the bus. We in Ireland are still waiting on that brexit bus to arrive.

    European leaders forcing Denmark to give up Greenland could very well signal the end of the EU. It also begs the question which country will be next for Trump to annex?

    Under your scenario they should also get bids in from China. Let them have a biding war to keep Trump busy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,207 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Interesting. So you're talking about a payment to the Danish government rather than each citizen. I don't think the average US citizen would appreciate the cost involved when they learn Greenland isn't a holiday destination like the Virgin Islands. I think someone on another thread also suggested offering 1 million to each Greenlander to get their support. Full cost 57bn. I suppose the Danes would have the final say on that. It could create the biggest conundrum since Woody Harrelson gave away Demi Moore for one night to Robert Redford for 1,000,000 dollars!!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    If the current situation involves European leaders, I am not sure why some outcome to this wouldn't involve them as well. No one mentioned forcing Denmark to do anything or throwing them under a bus.

    It isn't "my scenario". This is a very real potential scenario. Rubio I think has been tasked with buying Greenland. It's not a figment of my imagination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,175 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I thought ICE are federal and have “absolute immunity”.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The current situation involves European leaders standing up and defending another EU country.

    In your binary choice it's European countries deciding the future of Greenland and dismissing Denmark concerns.

    There would be no threat if Denmark and Greenland agreed to Trump's demands. It would not involve any other European country if it was something that Denmark and Greenland decided to do. So in your scenario the fact it involves European leaders means Denmark wouldn't be agreeing to it.

    If Trump offered Denmark/Greenland $1.99 each and both agreed then it has absolutely nothing to do with the EU or European leaders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    You are completely misreading what I am saying. I simply meant Denmark would accept the offer while coordinating with other leaders to ensure it is done right etc. Go back and read what I said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,303 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The US would literally rape Greenland for it's resources as soon as it was economically viable to do so.

    And leave it looking like a desolate waste land with oil and mining waste all over it.

    Considering that prospect as well as losing your nationality and identity, then I don't see any way that there would be a logical decision that selling Greenland to a Trump (or his like) led US would appeal to most Greenlanders.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Maybe the author hasn't been to Minnesota in winter. Today's high in Minneapolis is -6C with a low of -13C. The daytime high on Friday is forecast as -23C, with lows of -28.
    At the same time, the weather in Nuuk is a high of 2C with a low of -3.

    Sending cold-weather specialists to Minnnesota in that sort of weather would hardly be an irrational move.


    The line about how homeland security missions are 'traditionally' managed by the National Guard is true, but 'traditionally' was before the Supreme Court's order in Trump v Illinois a couple weeks ago. To quote the concurrence:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,871 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    They don't. The US constitution confers absolute rights which no law can infringe upon or negate. ICE regularly infringes upon those absolutes, such as detaining US citizens without cause other than their skin colour or annoyance felt by the ICE agent.


    AI probably:

    ICE agents do not have absolute immunity from prosecution; they can still face criminal charges or civil lawsuits for their actions. Legal experts emphasize that accountability exists, depending on the circumstances of each case.

    It's probably a good thing that Jonathan Ross is not being investigated, because that leaves the door open for a murder prosecution when this mob are no longer in power. He does not have immunity allowing him to murder people.

    ICE requires a warrant to enter a persons home. They have numerous times breached this legal requirement I actually saw one video where police turfed ICE pigs off a persons property when they were trying to kidnap them.

    The 'immunity' ICE pigs currently have is by means of the DOJ having no intention of prosecuting them for anything they do, such as the +170 times they have illegally detained US citizens. This makes the US effectively lawless.

    ICE do not have absolute immunity to steal peoples phones and to then smash them; to steal a kids phone and to then sell it, to shoot peaceful protesters in the face point blank so they lose an eye, to deny medical treatment to people in need of it.

    Hopefully there will be a legal reckoning in the future for these scum and their bosses.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,535 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Its all a distraction I don't think he has any intention to "take" Greenland. His presidency is over the minute US forces step foot in Greenland.



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