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Will AI take your job?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    This is entirely theoretical as I don't think AI will become more than tools that humans use. But if It did happen then the government could use AI to provide for everyone's basic needs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,419 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    so can you provide us with definite evidence that governments would in fact do this, i.e. provide all with all their needs, if theres such a case of a significant rise in unemployment, largely due to the implementation of ai tech?

    just to be aware, theres no theoretical here, what happens if this actually happens, please be as specific as possible?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,625 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Currently hiring for a few roles, the use of AI has been a great help in weeding out the clowns who havent a clue and just lob everything into chatgpt.

    "<long technical issue>.…how would you resolve this issue?"

    "I would repeat what you just said to a prompt and follow the instructions"

    "But what can you tell me about the technical aspects of the solution and why one is better over another? Also if this occured in a productuon system how would you diagnose it?"

    "Eh....i dont need to know, and i would ask chatgpt again"

    "Er ok....thanks for your time"

    Having a ton of people with no logical reasoning or understanding of business and thinking they can just pump something in and take something out is going to be a disaster. And most of what chatgpt/claude/copilot is coming back with is wrong or grossly innefficient anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    And when one considers human history and the desire for power that the few have always sought over the many, the above is far more likely than the naive, childish, image of everyone sitting on a beach doing bugger all every day while robots do all our labour.

    We can already see that the immediate future of AI is in the wrong hands. The billionaire tech bros involved in it do not have our best interests in mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,419 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    the joys of narcissism, where everyone's a winner!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    A fine example of why I think that anything that an AI says back to you cannot be trusted, and only a fool would do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Indeed, and I've heard this utopian vision so many times over my 50 years. Everything in the future will be great, robots will do all our work and…something, something, we'll want for nothing. That type of future is far less likely to occur than the dystopian one.

    The reality is we have two paths here. One is that we harness AI fast and really learn to control it before we let it get to the point where it controls us because we end up dependencies of it (and no, I'm not talking Skynet). The other is we end up in a new 18th/19th Century type situation, where vast wealth and power is concentrated amongst the tiny few and the vast majority end up living in dreadful the conditions of their own stinking miasma because they cannot afford decent healthcare or to feed, clothe and house themselves adequately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,419 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    maybe varoufakis is right with his 'technofeudalism'!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 23,458 ✭✭✭✭beertons


    I'm a postman/postal operative. Given how busy we are at the moment, AI would run away fast.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    Nobody can provide evidence about what will happen in the future, the future hasn't happened, it's unknowable. All you can do is try to make your beat guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,419 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    but the future you depict is deeply flawed, theres little or no evidence to show that the wealth created from the likes of ai tech, would be reasonable redistributed, in order to maintain some sort of social and economic functioning and stability. in fact, theres a good chance the whole thing could go t1ts up, and possible very quickly, potentially leading to significant social disruption, possibly even towards serious social conflicts and possible even serious wars, as many humans would very likely be unable to meet their most critical of needs.

    yes, nobody an accurately predict the future, including you and me, but do you really think we ll all be sitting on the beach, while tech does a lot of the work, again, how would the wealth be redistributed, in order to prevent the above scenario?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    I don't think we'll all be sitting on the beach. When I mentioned that I said it was assuming AI and robotics will be able to replicate everything humans can do. I don't think that will happen, at least not with the next 50 years.

    Firstly, even if AI does reach human level cognition or better, there will be a limit to it's computing capacity. AI is extremely expensive with enormous computing and energy usage. So I think there will be a balance of human and AI production factors.

    Secondly, there's no reason to believe at this point that AGI will happen. AI is an illusion of intelligence. It needs humans to continially monitor and fine tune it.

    I think AI will be an amazing tool for humanity that will increase productivity, therefore increasing prosperity and poverty, as have other technologies, such as the printing press, internal combustion engine and the transistor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭Joebobs


    the founder of Oracle wants all databases to be connected so AI can use them. Tony Blare is supporting this and its already started. 10 years ago AI wa crap now its good. in 10 years at the current pace it will be amazing. if nato goes to war AI will be used more.as Elon said lots of people used to manually do calcs in banks before computers they all were replaced. Ive only about 15 years left before i can retire. i think it will replace allot of jobs but it will benifit us.. China is making good progress on their robots (one is called T800)… so in 10 years we will be able to buy a decent robot who can do jobs around the place…who doesent want a T-800 working in their garden 😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭purplefields


    It's already having an impact.

    Certain data sources are becoming more valuable, like pre-ai stuff. New seams are also being used.

    Ultimately though, I guess we'll have to have humans train AI for a certain transition period anyway. That might be where new AI jobs are created. For a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    The general tendency is to see a reduction in variety and originality of writing on the web, as people post LLM-generated content to these sites. Even before AI there's been a tendency to merely copy and modify stuff that someone else has done without knowing (or caring) whether it is correct, but AI will accelerate this tendency.

    Also, as time goes on, strange biases will start appearing and multiplying. Odd phrases and ideas will propagate based, not on ground truth, but on the ability to get itself copied. A bit like Internet memes today but more virulent.

    Scraping the web for training content is no longer sufficient. Already there are hundreds of thousands of people employed to correct and train AI. This is an area that will continue to grow until the AI companies build robots that can go out into the world and gather their own truth. AI is not yet embodied and so still relies on humans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    The general tendency is to see a reduction in variety and originality of writing on the web, as people post LLM-generated content to these sites. Even before AI there's been a tendency to merely copy and modify stuff that someone else has done without knowing (or caring) whether it is correct, but AI will accelerate this tendency.

    That's true. It's easy to forget that as well. For many years, certain kinds of technical queries, including almost everything to do with computers and software, 95% of the results are misinformed nonsense published by people who have little or no clue themselves. AI can hardly make that much worse and may well improve it.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Surely AI is the death of outsourcing and first level support? How can a team of coders in India beat AI for quality?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    Correct. They will still outsource the coordination of the AI Agents but that will need only a fraction of the staff.

    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    Basically AI will take over everything and solve everything and the only worthwhile characteristic to have will be entrepreneurship.

    Let's hope these rich white guys with their hard-ons for Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are at least someway off the mark



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yeah it's a bit scary but I'd rather know what's coming down the line

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Plenty of work if you are Hozier. The rest of us "knowledge workers" will be singing The Parting Glass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    I suspect their vision of things is too blinkered. They look like they bought into the AI gospel a little too deeply and seem to have an awe of the tech feudalists that is quite repulsive. Life and work is much more varied.

    On the other hand it's useful to hear these voices too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    What may improve AI's quality on technical output is when they can test their advice for validity. This is already happening in coding, where the AI can test a coding solution in its own sandbox but in future it will extend to things like server administration tasks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    Very good video to watch. Richard Sutton, a Turing award winner talks to a podcaster.

    Richards view on the limitations of LLMs as a path to AGI contrasts sharply with the podcaster.

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    If you follow down the path of AI needing value functions to get to AGI this is a good follow on video.

    Post edited by 80sDiesel on

    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Assuming you’ve a job and money to pay for that robot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭amacca


    I'd say we are self selecting....it could be argued somewhat that random chance wiped out dinosaurs....it could also be argued they still exist among us or at least some of their genetic line

    One thing is for sure a small number of them didn't put the asteroid on a collision course with the Yucatan penninsula and wipe out most of their various species

    As always happens they couldn't adapt to the new environment and survive it......could easily happen to us to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭amacca


    If you cant see how that could turn dystopian pretty quick given what I assume you know about your fellow man then I worry for you...

    Unless that happens over a very long time scale where people have time to adapt (and assuming AI remains under our collective control or remains benevolent towards us - pretty massive ifs) then something like a luddite movement might look like a child's tea party in comparison to what might happen on a global scale in the first instance....never mind what comes after

    I'd say everyone being able to have all their needs catered for and do whatever their equivalent of going to the beach is would probably be the lowest probability outcome..

    Here's hoping though!



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