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Will AI take your job?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭amacca


    If an artificial general intelligence can interact with the virtual and the physical world...

    What guardrails are in place to ensure we the humans remain in control

    Where's our failsafe should something go wrong....why are a small group of nihilists being allowed to outcompete each other in a race where the only certainty they seek is to try and ensure the other nihilist doesn't get there first...and none of the rest of humanity appears to have much of a say

    This to me feels fundamentally different from an agricultural or industrial revolution

    To be an agent you have to have agency....this tech can't be said to be truly intelligent yet it appears to have a self preservation instinct of some sort and is willing to behave unethically to preserve itself...lie/conceal how it arrived at an answer..all quite human traits but undesirable human traits in a potentially very powrful machine intelligence.....not good should this continue on its current trajectory and I have yet to hear a particularly convincing argument to the contrary......we will all live in an age of abundance, yeah right....I have heard that before...and if it did happen, what is the tradeoff...

    What work is left where it is competent in all areas of human endeavour, cheap and replicable.....

    Anyone want to speculate...roles where human contact/presence is valued above the artificial ?.…...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    What guardrails are in place to ensure we the humans remain in control

    Well, the "godfather of AI" Geoffrey Hinton said that we have to make AI treat us as it's "children". To me, that sounds like he's throwing his hands up and saying that the genie is out of the bottle.

    To paraphrase yourself, we are on the cusp of outsourcing human thinking to a robot and I find that to be very concerning. But what is also of greater immediate concern is in people's ability to just generally get money through work in order to live in the society we've created and that more than likely means everybody on this thread.

    AI may be of great benefit to us in many areas. I've been quite amazed at some of the things I've seen it do and by it's rapid advancement in such a short period of time. But I think that too many people are disregarding its obvious downsides and the major obvious downside is in the realm of work. As Hinton himself said "If AI, for example, can do a lot of mundane intellectual labour then it can, for example, replace people in call centres. So AI can actually do a better job, those people are often poorly paid and poorly trained and don't actually know the answers to the questions you're asking. AI will be much better than them…and cheaper. Now that should be good, it should be that when we increase productivity people benefit. The problem is, in the system we have, the people who own the call centres will benefit, the workers will get fired and it's not clear what jobs they'll do. So the net effect could be very bad."

    You also said that we're "playing with fire". My issue is who has their hands on the match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Thread has been going since June- it’s been a very slow burner- but I’ve seen it up pace in recent weeks - penny must be slowly dropping for people that AI is a serious threat to many people’s jobs and indeed whole industries of employment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    How about don't play with fire in the first place - apparantly that idea hasn't copped on!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 844 ✭✭✭p15574


    Yes, there are other facets to a job, but back in the day, there might have been two or even three or more people collating data and calculating sums and averages and creating graphs. This could have been reduced to one, doing all that work and still having spare time for the other admin aspects.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    This is what ChatGPT says about it.

    "The academic literature indicates that the invention and widespread adoption of spreadsheets contributed to net job losses in routine clerical, bookkeeping, and data-entry roles, and the number of new analytical or IT jobs created did not fully offset those losses in the affected occupations. However, spreadsheets contributed to overall productivity gains that indirectly supported other types of employment."

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,506 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Was this open source AI? Cos I put my own PDF manuscript into it the other day and it made up half of the information contained on it when fed back to me. Mine wasn't much longer than the 200 page document either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,506 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Not to mention the lack of compensation for the hundreds of thousands of IPs they scrape data from… I agree AI has its uses, but the lack of regulation is a huge concern.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    Wealth isn't money, money is merely infrastructure that supports wealth. Wealth is access to goods and services. Greater productivity increases the availability of goods and services.

    @JM2300 exactly very well explained. That is something that most Irish people and even the Irish establishment don't understand. They think that by giving everyone more money through welfare payments it makes everyone better off but it doesn't. It drives up inflation by increasing the demand for goods and services and reduces the work ethic required to produce those goods and services. People don't want to earn more than the welfare thresholds or be dragged into the higher tax nets therefore they choose to work less or in easier less demanding jobs thereby reducing productivity (domestic economy productivity). If the supply of goods and services are reduced in an economy it makes everyone worse off. The classic example of this is the housing market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I asked him and he said he uses a Copilot agent to summarise the document first and then feeds it into a tool called Elevenlabs to produce a high quality audio. He has a paid subscription (20 quid a month). The first steps prevents "hallucinations". He said the AI Audio tool could summarise the document too (integrated with ChatGPT) but it's more prone to error.

    I use Copilot agents to work with documents too because you can restrict the agent to only use inputs from the specified knowledge sources including accredited external websites.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,506 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Yeah I've been having the same problem with the audio tool, it will process half the document then just make up the remainder. An agent is probably more reliable but the open source model isn't great with large docs I've found. Might try CoPilot as I find ChatGPT the worst on the market at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think MS CoPilot uses ChatGPT under the hood but it might have some extra configurations on it. Agents definitely much better than straight 'chats'.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Not in a month if Sundays could I see the Irish civil service letting go staff due to AI!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Well im kinda with you on that - but we’ll all suffer as a result - higher costs to deliver services that can be supplied at a much lower cost- Archaic systems - massive costs of upgrade to simply cover voluntary redundancy packages etc etc etc

    Saying that - if people in early 50s in private sector doing work destined for redundancy have a chance to jump to public sector employment - my advice would be take it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Indeed.

    On the topic of AI, I am often reminded of Jeff Goldblum's speech in 'Jurassic Park'…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I met darling Dickie Attenborough once in London.

    You're right though. The players holding all the power are Altman, Musk, Gates, Huang, Zuckerberg etc. Can they be trusted? Hell no.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 597 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    "Nature selected them [the dinosaurs] for extinction…"

    That's an interesting observation by Jeff Goldblum - perhaps Nature has selected homosapiens for extinction through our own hubris and presumption, aided by our own invention, AI?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    We’re destined for destruction -and have been for 1000s of years- we’ve no idea how to behave properly as a collective population on this planet - and we never will. Only difference today vs 1000 years ago is that we’re super charging ourselves towards oblivion today - pace has vastly increased



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I met darling Dickie Attenborough once in London.

    A very nice chap by all accounts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    The same can't be said about his brother David, though. Worked with him on two occasions and he was extremely rude. National treasure, my arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Also we pretend we are better then we were 100+ years ago (as a collective 'better' society) however our instincts are the exact same.

    Only difference is 100+ years ago the behavior that we all would participate in if allowed is largely viewed as unacceptable but given the chance we would all be the exact same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    What’s the saying, “we’re only 3 meals away from anarchy” - that will always hold true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    There will be businesses, but logically there won't be enough to offset the rise in unemployment unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    Technology Improvments have caused job losses countless times before and the economy has always adapted and evolved, and here we still are with full employment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    I'm a bit of a doom and gloomer, but I think if the AI dream comes true, then it will be fundamentally different this time compared to previous revolutions.

    Previously what we have been talking about is automation. Rows of workers with desk calculators are replaced with one worker with a PC and a spreadsheet package. But the PC user still needed intelligence to design the spreadsheets and make sure they were correct. But if a machine can also provide the intelligence, what is left?

    Your view depends on some limit being hit, requiring humans to step in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    What impact will AI have on its own training data?

    Traffic to the likes of stackoverflow, tutorial sites and blogs etc are decimated by AI.

    Will it have an impact on open source projects that it also uses to train.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    If AI really can do everything humans can do, which would also require robots, then we can relax on the beach as AI provides for everyone's needs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    On the other hand, there will be a great concentration of wealth, i.e. control over resources, like we have never seen before. The general masses will depend on a trickle down from the extremely wealthy few.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    how will we redistribute the wealth created by ai tech, by what mechanisms, in order for all humans to be able to provide themselves with all their needs, especially their most critical of needs such as housing, critical consumables, i.e. food, water, clothing, and other needs, medical needs etc etc?



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