Venezuela

He won't be so happy when an international arrest warrant is issued for him for the murder of over 100 persons in Caracas. More US attacks are planned.

US President Donald Trump said Friday he called off a second wave of attacks on Venezuela after securing cooperation with the new leadership, which began releasing prisoners nearly a week after Washington forcibly removed the leftist president.

I’m not trying to derail the thread or put you on the spot here or ask you questions on my opinion, I am stating the below to demonstrate I believe not only was it oil but there is more malign activities coming from the CIA, but I want to state, that is not, and does not mean, all of America is evil and is responsible for those actions like some threads on this board suggest. What I am interested in is how certain narratives like the oil one get treated as respectable debate, while others are shut down instantly as inconsistent, irrational and wrong, depending on who’s talking and what the topic is.

Take Venezuela. do you also think Iraq was primarily about oil? Because for a certain unidentified number of people, it was. And that is critical thinking and high minded to question those motives and the evidence behind a course of action to get to the real reason behind it. Likewise, I want to stress I am not a conspiracy nut, but if you question any evidence or motivation behind 9-11 you are immediately shut down. Pat Kenny does it, Robert Grimes does it, the thread on 9-11 here several posters do it, all the AI apps do it - they won't even entertain critical thinking on the matter. Shut down. I am not drawing comparisons between your post and 9-11 either - that is my own observation for my own statement of belief.

On Iraq, the dictator angle, the terrorism angle, the WMD angle - all of that was used to justify something that, in hindsight, most people now accept was driven by geopolitical and economic interests. That's not a conspiracy to suggest that. And this is where the comparison to Venezuela becomes relevant. In both cases, complex realities were reduced to simple moral similarities. In Iraq, it was “evil dictator + WMDs + terrorism.” In Venezuela, it’s “corrupt regime + drugs + humanitarian crisis.” These narratives aren’t neutral; they’re tools. They shape public opinion and create a sense of inevitability around certain actions.

And no, this theory and comparison, doesn't mean I am pro Iraq war vet ICE agents killing innocent people because they are Iraq war vets - I support Iraq vets Yes - but not Trump and not this ICE agent. I want to iterate I am not a conspiracy loon for raising legitimate questions - and I am not a conspiracy loon for identifying noticeable and overt evidence that points to inside jobs by the CIA and oil interests in other cases.

I have a post over on the entertainment section in the documentaries thread where I discuss a documentary I saw without irrefutable evidence and probably wouldn't hold up in court but raises some interesting questions on the Dag Hamarskold death in plane crash in South Africa back in the '60's. The CIA are accused of being at it back then and I'm not saying they are at it in Venezuela, that's more overt Trump playing geo-politics, but I am saying this, I don't believe bandits from caves in Afghanistan stole planes and invaded American air space, the most protected military air space in the world and coordinated attacks on the main military targets in the most financed military country on the planet. It's mad to suggest it was possible, and for people, to call skeptics that question that impossibility, as mad, - is itself mad.

So to iterate my position from pervious posts - we will hold those accountable for inside jobs accountable without being conspiracy nuts - and we will keep NATO or if the USA wants out of NATO let them leave but keep it for Europe minus the confrontational positions along its eastern flank but hold the conspiracy nuts accountable for saying that NATO is a Churchill English creation and therefore not American or any of the other countries represented. I have previous posts on this in Politics section.

You can focus on Venezuela only in your response as I don't want to use the above comparisons to derail the thread just to highlight my point and position.

What new leadership?

The daughter whose father was murdered by the CIA.

Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.

Were you oblivious to what the US has done in the past decades ? In my opinion they are just continuing the same old playbook.

US continues to plunder Venezuela and prevent it developing economically. Just like Iran and Cuba. Western politicians continue with their double-standards by regarding some terrorists as their mates.

The US has seized a sixth tanker in the Caribbean Sea in its ongoing efforts to control exports of Venezuelan oil, officials say.

The vessel, Veronica, was boarded in a predawn operation "without incident" as it was defying President Donald Trump's "quarantine of sanctioned vessels", said the US military.

"The only oil leaving Venezuela will be oil that is coordinated properly and lawfully," the Southern Command said.

Since the US military strikes on Venezuela and seizure of its president Nicolás Maduro this month, Trump has said he plans to tap into the country's huge oil reserves.

Another long Economist (Intelligence) Unit report found that turkeys voted for Christmas!

The Shah's son has more chance of becoming King of Iran than she does in ruling Venezuela now you would expect.

The fact Rodriguez was also VP certainly helps as she's naturally next in line so the US can maintain it wasn't a regime change.

Flip side is by the US legitimizing her as president they by extension also legitimize Maduro. Which he will use in his defense that he has immunity under international law. Not that the US abides by it, A federal judge may though.

I'd be dubious about the results from a survey last week. It must have been very basic if the survey responses were processed and published that quickly. Is the detailed survey methodology available?

Why would Venezuelans want the US to take control, and effectively ownership, of their natural resources, economy, and political system?

There hasn't been investment in their oil industry in nearly 50years. In the 1980s Venezuela was wealthier than Spain now it's third world.

Their only political alliances are with pariah states like Iran and Russia.

When poverty and political dysfunction is all youve known, any change is worth a whirl

I think Venezuela would make substantial economic progress if the US was swallowed by a sink hole.

i dont know anything about the survey itself but i am in enough contact with people there to know it is consistent with how the majority are feeling - as already said, the oil & gold was being taken (stolen basically) anyway so the usa taking it doesnt make much of a difference