Game changing battery from Donut ?

That's a very good video. The most hopeful I would be about it, is that they have developed something and are trying to figure out how to manufacture it at scale. It was interesting when the video people ordered the motorcycle they were given a delivery date next Autumn. So, it's clearly far from "available today". But maybe the whole CES palaver was to drum up customers for the motorcycles as low volume beta testers of the battery tech while bringing in some revenue.

Even at that, there's nothing to stop them allowing third party researchers to validate some of the claims, the energy density and environmental operating conditions, being two major ones. If they've even cracked those two that would be something. If it's a scam, it's probably the most elaborate one ever devised. I still can't get past a whiff of faking it until they make it though.

Only 1 patent? If this battery is everything they've claimed, I'd have expected it to be defended by multiple patents covering every conceivable variation of the technology.

I believe companies have to file patents in their home country and I think Donut Labs is based in Finland? So probably worth checking the laws there

In any case, China doesn't respect patent law since they aren't really a thing under socialist regimes. So if I had some game changer battery technology, I wouldn't be depending on patents to protect it

I'm still highly skeptical, there seems to be the barest amount of independent research into this type of battery. I would expect it to be at the lab concept stage, not scaling mass production

Interesting. VTT Research is genuine. They have a note about it on their site.

https://www.vttresearch.com/en/news-and-ideas/donut-lab-commissioned-vtt-carry-out-battery-measurements-support-its-product

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTT_Technical_Research_Centre_of_Finland

I saw that after about the "series". They are going to drip feed it in the manner a Netflix drama. I'm surprised they didn't say the test series drops on Monday … 🙄

I hope it's genuine, but for me all these slick and shiny websites detract from their credibility. Maybe I'm just a dinosaur in that respect. But, now that VTT are on board, it needs be taken more seriously.

What size battery or is that irrelevant?

I still don't get it. If this does what they claim, they don't need a marketing department. "Build a better mousetrap .." and all that.

I wonder have all the tests, including those whose results have yet to be published been done already by VTT? If not, that raises the question as to whether the same cell (and the same technology) is being tested each time. Otherwise, they could put a capacitor in the package one week, and a chemical cell the next, depending on what's being tested.

I haven't been commenting anywhere else 🙂

VTT certainly won't tell any lies. But, they will only test whatever they have been asked to test and using whatever they have been given.