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€25k invested in prize bonds

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭feelings


    interesting article in the Indo yesterday.

    "NTMA told it must publish data that proves prize-bond draw is actually random"

    https://m.independent.ie/business/ntma-told-it-must-publish-data-that-proves-prize-bond-draw-is-actually-random/a1216313457.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭Gettin Auld


    I saw the article myself. I of course don’t know it all but it always strikes me as odd when the first response of someone/something being questioned is a defensive no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,506 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I can't read the article without paying money. The decision is very detailed, so I have only skimmed over it so far. It could go to appeal? In the interests of openess and transparency, I hope Mr Z and Company A will make themselves known to the public.

    https://oic.ie/ga/cinneadh-ombudsman/c3cef-mr-z-the-national-treasury-management-agency-ntma/



  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    Paste the article into archive.ph and you can read it.

    https://archive.ph/fxr1Q



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭jjmcclure


    Zero for me last week.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,506 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    My new bonds from the draw on Friday 19th arrived today 30th., BJY849113-124. The bonds from the draw on Tuesday 23rd not received yet, but I know they are BJZ450989-451000.

    When the BJZ series completes very soon, that will be 936 million bonds since AAA started in July 2015. From 1956 to mid 2015 approx 700 million bonds were issued.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭notsocutehoor


    Closing out the year on a positive note

    €75 win on the 23rd December draw, bond purchased October 2020

    Last win 12th December

    Winnings to date (no winning records kept pre 2005) €3,550 on €14,950 (including reinvestments) worth of PB's bought monthly over a 26/27 year period plus €20,000 bought in Feb 2016 (eight €50 wins and five €75 wins on the February 2016 purchase), plus €20,000 bought in July 2020 (four €50 wins, five €75 wins, and one €150 win on the July 2020 purchase), plus €30,000 bought in October 2020 (three €50 wins and nine €75 wins on the October 2020 purchase).

    Winnings 2011 €75

    Winnings 2012 €150

    Winnings 2013 €200

    Winnings 2014 €100

    Winnings 2015 Zero

    Winnings 2016 €200

    Winnings 2017 €250

    Winnings 2018 Nada, Zilch, SFA

    Winnings 2019 €250

    Winnings 2020 €150

    Winnings 2021 €150

    Winnings 2022 €100

    Winnings 2023 €275

    Winnings 2024 €975 - comfortably best year so far

    Winnings 2025 €675

    Happy and a prosperous winning New Year to all bond holders



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,506 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Nothing for me today.

    The number of €75 prizes in the January 2026 draws is 8,720 up from 8,713 in December 2025. The newest bond to win on 05 December was BJW275974, newest 02 January BJZ988990. Sales of around €23.2 million. Sales in December 2024 were €28.791 million.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Nothing for me today

    Weekly €50k gone to Dublin. Dublin also got 7no. of the 20no. €1,000 prizes. And €1k gone to UK and €1k gone to Spain.

    Based on the prizes this week I calculate that the 2025 year end of the value of PB in issue is €4,416,800,000, down from €4,464,770,000 at the end of 2024, which is a drop of €47,970,000 (just over 1%) over the year.

    Wishing all regulars a happy and very prosperous 2026.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭pbwinner


    Winnings on 2nd January 2026: €0
    Last win 23rd December 2025: €75
    Total winnings on €25k from February 2011 to date: €3525

    2011: €75 x 4 = €300
    2012: €75 x 6 = €450
    2013: €50 x 12 = €600
    2014: €50 x 9 = €450
    2015: €50 x 5 = €250
    2016: €50 x 5 = €250
    2017: €50 x 4 = €200
    2018: €50 x 2 = €100
    2019: €50 x 6 = €300
    2020: €50 x 5 = €250
    2021: €50 x 1 = €50
    2022: €50 x 1 = €50
    2023: €50 x 1 = €50
    2024: €75 x 1 = €75
    2025: €75 x 2 = €150
    2026: €0



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭tuisginideach


    Happy New Year to all. Back with €75 this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 575 ✭✭✭user060916


    Have €10k remaining in Prizebonds which I haven't gotten around to redeeming.

    Grand total of €0 in 2025, think thats the push I needed to cash out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    When I calculate AAA000001 to BJZ999999 I get the same result, 936 million bonds valued at €70,199,929,800 have been issued in the last decade. Given that the value of PB in issue is currently is €4,416,800,000, and that some of this is accounted for by extant pre 2015 bonds it suggests a very high rate of encashment (over 95%) and that bonds in general are held for a relatively short period of time (measured in months rather than years). I'm quite surprised by this.

    I suspect the huge increase in the number of bonds being issued in the last few decades is easily accounted for:

    1. when PB were first issued in 1956, a single bond cost £5, which was quite a lot of money (approx €175 in today's money) and was close the the average weekly wage whereas €6.25/€6.35 today is small change
    2. the introduction of recurring DD purchases
    3. the introduction of online purchases
    4. the huge surge in wealth generally
    Post edited by Hibernicis on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Great find; the report by the Senior Investigator from the Information Commissioner's Office makes for a very interesting read. While I have some sympathy for Insight Statistical Consulting's (Company A) concerns about their methodology being put in the public domain, it is difficult to see any valid reason for NTMA's reluctance to release the report. The stated reasons sound like complete bs and defensive scaremongering. Difficult not to conclude that they have something to hide. I have long had concerns about the randomness of the results. It will be very interesting to see the report if and when it makes it into the public domain. It also makes me wonder if further FOI requests are worth considering.

    I found this cryptic statement by NTMA quite odd:

    The state agency admitted that the winning numbers in the weekly draw are published, but claimed the exact structure of a prize bond number, the letters that are not used in those numbers, and the alpha prefix associated with certain types of bonds are not known to the public.

    I have neither the time nor the inclination to test all ranges to see what's missing, but there definitely are gaps. For example, no bond number commencing AA has won a prize in the last 4 years, suggesting that either (1) no bond numbers commencing AA were ever issued or (2) the entire range of 999,999 bonds (valued at €6.35m) was issued and all have been encashed. (The latter is possible given that AA would have been issued in the 80s or 90s and at the time there was no limit on holdings, so one person could have bought and subsequently sold the entire AA range). The only other gap I've located is bonds prefixed with the letter Q, none having won in the last four years. Again, this could be either that Q was never issued or all have been encashed. Note that QQ appears regularly among the winners.

    I know that there were gaps in the early days, when bonds were preprinted and issued for fixed denominations from multiple sequences concurrently. But I can't think of any reason why there should be gaps in the last three decades (since computerisation was introduced). I have tested some of letters that are often omitted from registration codes, such as O, Q, l, I, V/W, M, to avoid misinterpretation but all of these are present apart from the gaps mentioned above.  

    And its also difficult to see justification for this:

    The state agency admitted that the winning numbers in the weekly draw are published, but claimed the exact structure of a prize bond number, the letters that are not used in those numbers, and the alpha prefix associated with certain types of bonds are not known to the public.

    The only different "types of bonds" I'm aware of are those issued/denominated in IEP vs EUR i.e. pre vs post 1st Jan 2002. And those alpha prefixes are well known i.e. DL000001 onwards with a value of €6.25 having been issued in Eur, and anything before that with a value of €6.35 (IR£5) having been issued in IEP.

    In any event it's difficult to see how any of this could enable a fraud to be perpetrated. My money is on NTMA having something to hide, not necessarily in respect of this report but certainly they appear to have an interest in blocking further FOI requests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,506 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I identified the absence of prizes for some prefixes in a count, post #7075 Page 236. I did not realise the significance until a later count, posts 9821 & 9822 Page 328. The inescapable conclusion is that some prefixes were never issued.

    "I knew that the DK series did not issue all the serial numbers, in preparation for DL000001 being allocated to the first Euro denominated bond. So I was working with 115.3 million bonds issued at IR£5. 300,000 DK bonds. But I have discovered that apparently there were no bonds issued with the Q, U, AA or AI serial letters. I decided to check them because they got zero prizes in the three draws." (From Post 9821, I see I put a mistake there pointing to Page 142 for Post 7075, instead of Page 236).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,506 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The Premium Bonds big winners for January 2026.

    https://www.nsandi.com/prize-checker/winners



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭carrickbawn


    Nothing here today. Last year's wins worked out at just over 1% which is acceptable enough. All made up of €75 prizes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭jjmcclure


    No win for me since 5th Dec

    Winnings in 2025 - €600 Exactly the same as 2024 BUT I only purchased in June 2024 so not a great win rate in 2025.

    Fingers crossed for a better win rate this year, maybe 500% 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭pbwinner


    Happy new year everyone!

    Winnings on 9th January 2026: €0
    Last win 23rd December 2025: €75
    Total winnings on €25k from February 2011 to date: €3525

    2011: €75 x 4 = €300
    2012: €75 x 6 = €450
    2013: €50 x 12 = €600
    2014: €50 x 9 = €450
    2015: €50 x 5 = €250
    2016: €50 x 5 = €250
    2017: €50 x 4 = €200
    2018: €50 x 2 = €100
    2019: €50 x 6 = €300
    2020: €50 x 5 = €250
    2021: €50 x 1 = €50
    2022: €50 x 1 = €50
    2023: €50 x 1 = €50
    2024: €75 x 1 = €75
    2025: €75 x 2 = €150
    2026: €0



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Nothing for me this week.

    €50k gone to Cork. 10no. of the 20no. €1k prizes gone to Dublin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭tuisginideach


    Nothing here this week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,506 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    That notice was still on the site until 12 January, gone 13th.

    Nothing for me on Friday 9th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭POBox19


    From an article in the Daily Mail:

    The countries with the most Premium Bond holders outside the UK include Australia where there are 155,012 Premium Bond holders, Canada with 80,723, Ireland with 47,282 and New Zealand with 34,413 Premium Bond holders. 

    Premium Bonds Prizes are either paid into the winner’s UK bank account or paid as new bonds and added to the person’s holding, which has a £50,000 limit.

    An NS&I spokesman says: 'The vast majority of Premium Bonds holders live in the UK. Premium Bonds can only be purchased by savers if they hold a UK bank or building society account in their name. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,733 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    £500 win on Premium Bonds in January. Thats on two accounts both 50k (200 win on one 300 on the other). I'd buy more if I could, payout seems far more regular than Prize Bonds. Average payout each year has been in excess of £1500 on 50k so a better than 3% return. At a guess I should be paying tax on my wins?

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭POBox19


    Lucky you.

    Previously checked this with Revenue. There is no tax due on Premium Bond wins as they are considered winnings, they do not need to be declared on your Income Tax Return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    What a difference a couple of percent makes !!

    Premium Bond notional interest rate, currently 3.6%, historically:

    Start Date

    Rate

    Aug-25

    3.60%

    Apr-25

    3.80%

    Jan-25

    4.00%

    Dec-24

    4.15%

    Mar-24

    4.40%

    Sep-23

    4.65%

    Aug-23

    4.00%

    The Prize Bond notional interest rate has been 1% for this entire period (since October 2023), and that was a huge improvement on the previous notional interest rate which was .35%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,506 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    80% of the prize money is given to the lower tier prizes. 80% of 3.6% is 2.88%, around 3.75 times Prize Bonds allocation to the €75 prizes. This is obviously reflected in the return that can be expected outside of the big prizes.

    https://www.nsandi.com/get-to-know-us/monthly-prize-allocation

    Going back further in history, Prize Bonds interest rate matched or bettered Premium Bonds for most of this century. It is only in the last few years that the big interest rates came in for Premium Bonds, must be something to do with the needs of the UK economy. I would like to get some, but it is too complicated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭notsocutehoor


    Good start to the New Year

    €75 win on the 9th January draw, bond purchased October 2020

    Last win 23rd December

    Winnings to date (no winning records kept pre 2005) €4,125 on €15,000 (including reinvestments) worth of PB's bought monthly over a 27/28 year period plus €20,000 bought in Feb 2016 (eight €50 wins and five €75 wins on the February 2016 purchase), plus €20,000 bought in July 2020 (four €50 wins, five €75 wins, and two €150 wins on the July 2020 purchase), plus €30,000 bought in October 2020 (three €50 wins and ten €75 wins on the October 2020 purchase).

    Winnings 2011 €75

    Winnings 2012 €150

    Winnings 2013 €200

    Winnings 2014 €100

    Winnings 2015 Zero

    Winnings 2016 €200

    Winnings 2017 €250

    Winnings 2018 Nada, Zilch, SFA

    Winnings 2019 €250

    Winnings 2020 €150

    Winnings 2021 €150

    Winnings 2022 €100

    Winnings 2023 €275

    Winnings 2024 €975 - comfortably best year so far

    Winnings 2025 €675

    Winnings 2026 €75



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    is it worth investing in prize-bonds?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭granturismo


    The answer will vary on risk attitudes and circumstances .

    Do you want relatively quick access to withdraw your funds? I do.

    Are you risk adverse? I am with this money, I cant afford to lose any of it for the next 2 years.

    Its a personal choice, what I do in my circumstances may not be what someone else will do.



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