Martin Nolan finally being called out.

You might say that, but often they show a photo of the judge of him/her walking in their garb towards the court on the news item - that is when they are praising them.

The deference to all elements of the “justice system” in this country is disgusting.

It is now normalised. Shocked to hear and protest about it at the drop of a hat, not shocked enough to do anything about it on election day.

Repeat offenders = More crimes = More money for ff/fg and their legal eagle, ngo friends.

Only a matter of time before people enact their own justice, it has happened before in living memory.

apparently legally….’misbehaviour’ or ‘incapacity’ are the only two reasons that a judge might be removed..

Which is ridiculous because I don’t think that being routinely crap at your job would fall into either category.

Not making excuses for judges at all. Am stating a fact which you yourself agree with, namely there are not enough prison spaces. Where do you expect judges to put convicts duly sentenced if there are nowhere to put them?

We have the inspector of prisons saying Irish prisons are dangerously overcrowded, the UN saying they are a Human Rights violation, and yet this Government still will not get their act together and build one new modern 1500 capacity prison that is desperately needed.

Instead we're supposed to get 600 new spaces over the next 4/5 years by extending our already dated prisons.

I don't pay my taxes for woolly-headed NGO's that consider Phillip Bean and Fergus McNeill's works The Holy Gospel, to be making the decisions for Government. I pay my taxes so that the Government leads and makes decisions for the greater good of society.

Everyone can see that soft-rehabilition, community rehabilitation, simply does not work. We've tried the experiment for 5 decades now.

There was an article I read lest year or the year before about this. There's nothing to suggest that Nolan is doing his job wrong. He gets a lot of these cases so he appears in the news more, but from comments other judges have made, it appears that he's following sentencing guidelines. The problem is that there's no centralised list of the trials, crimes and sentences to compare to. So people think that he's being lenient because of his personality, rather than him doing his job as he's supposed to. If judges sentence outside the guidelines, then the sentence is appealed. If the judge isn't sure because the guidelines are unclear, then they tend to go for the baseline sentence and let the prosecution appeal. Then it goes to the court of appeal and the court of appeal determine what the baseline should have been.

So there's issues with the guidelines that judges are given, but not necessarily with the judge themselves.

that has nothing to do with the Judge or how long a sentence is! That is the probem for the State and the Prison service, turf out some of the non murdering prisoners! Stop imprisoning Enoch Burke maybe? (This guy could have Enoch Burke's place but NO they will always have a cell for Enoch as they're making an example of him)

If I was Martin Lynn's family I would be screaming this from the rooftops, this is just wrong on every level. Judge Nolan needs to be investigated at this stage. Can the man himself not question his own judgement, he already gave this perpetrator a suspeded sentence in 2012, the perpetrator has many multiples of convictions.

We should have learnt from years of hero worshiping our clergy that there was a lot of dirt under the surface and never to put people on pedestals again, no matter what their profession. Judge Nolan has a low moral compass.

For anyone that's interested, I found the sentancing guidelines.

https://judicialcouncil.ie/assets/uploads/Sentence%20Information%20the%20General%20Public.pdf

Offences in the mid range of seriousness tend to result in sentences in the range of 4 to 10 years. They include cases where the offence involves an unlawful act which would not normally be expected to result in death, and where the act was not premeditated but there is still a degree of culpability

It seems that this is in the mid range so between 4-10 years. Now, the thing is that that doc doesn't break it down further. So whether it should be 4 or 10 is hard to say.

The thing is that the judge should follow the guidelines. It's not their job to go on what they feel. The guidelines are there for a reason. It's literally their job to follow the guidelines. And if they don't, if the sentence is too harsh or lenient, the sentence will be appealed and a new sentence in line with the guidelines will be issued by the court of appeal.

I'm not saying that there's nothing wrong here but it feels like the judge is being held responsible for all the other issues in the justice system. And because there's never been a full review of sentences across all judges, we can't even say if Nolan is at fault here. He may be but it's entirely possible he's doing his job to the best of his ability and following all the guidelines as well as he can.

We just see a judge issue a sentence and say that he's at fault where it could be all the rules and structures behind them that's at fault.

There needs to be a complete review of all guidelines and all sentences so we can see where the issues are. And if it turns out it's the judge, then we can do something about him.

These unprovoked attacks should be murder not manslaughter. You punch someone there is a chance they hit their head and die. If I shoot someone dead it's murder. I can't say I only meant to shoot them in the leg not kill them.

There is something called private property and the school has the right to employ or not employ someone.

I agree with the points the judge in the Enoch Burke case made recently.

The American Religious Right love the Enoch Burke case. I heard Carla Sands of the America First Policy Institute criticising Ireland over it recently.

What a despicable and cowardly act O’Neill committed on a gentle and sensitive young man.

Truly horrendous that anyone could do that. And for what? Because maybe a car was a bit of an obstruction to O’Neill…

6 years for a violent assault resulting in death. A life exterminated by scum.

A couple of years ago there was a case of a shop in Cork putting up pictures of people who had stolen form the shop. Cue the usual bleeding hearts coming in, calling it racism because most of the thieves were gypsies. Pavee Point were very vocal on the issue too. I'm pretty sure the shop had to stop doing it pretty quickly sue to pressure and threatened legal problems.

On the flip side, sometimes public shaming works. A few years ago, people were dumping rubbish on the street in Dublin and the council started posting images of the people doing the dumping, essentially public shaming them. I believe the dumping rate went right down.

The problem in both cases were the bleeding hearts that argued this was against their civil liberties, and threatened legal action.

Civil liberties. What about civil responsibility?

What about the civil liberties of victims of crime?

Questions rarely asked by the bleeding heart brigade, and even more rarely answered.

You'll never effectively challenge crime in this country as long as there are more people advocating for criminals instead of victims.

I'm with you on the lashes. It may be cruel, but if it make you stop form kicking someone's head in for no reason, then you can't say it doesn't work. With scumbags appeasement simply doesn't work, with them the state has to be the bigger bully.