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President Connolly

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I, of course meant silence the President, you know those folk who shout 'you can't say that you are embarrassing us.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,743 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Why does this forum invariably descend into student union bar type stuff.? Obfuscation vague points and circular arguments. Not addressing points made and odd trains of thought. Infuriating to read.

    I remember when I joined boards I thought oh this should be informed and enlightened with some nuanced points. But it ends up with some lad arguing with himself.

    I think some posters should look back on the constitutional powers of the President, learn about the Separation of Powers, and the commonly held conventions of the office of President and how it has evolved to its current position. Then make their point in light of the above and current context.

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    You haven't refuted a single discussion point that I have made.

    First, you responded with some tangential and irrelevant questions about the events, rather than Connolly's reaction to them, which is the subject of the discussion.

    Secondly, when that failed, you resorted to some vague puzzling diatribe about me rather than the President. I can get that sort of debate on X or Reddit anytime.

    Again, the issue that is puzzling posters here is why our President considers the lives of Cuban mercenaries to be worthy of comment while the lives of ordinary Iranian civilians are to be ignored. Aside from a blind anti-American prejudice, nobody has advanced a single credible explanation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sorry, where is there evidence that she thinks Cuban mercenaries are more important?

    You made that up.

    We do not know the reason. That is a fact not agenda driven speculation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,280 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    As President she sympathises with a dictator's henchmen, but says nothing about thousands of innocent civilians killed by an autocratic regime, why is that exactly?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,743 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    It would take too long to mention them all by name for a start! It would be a long 7 years. The general impression I have of Connolly is she is an idealistic pacifist with strong left leaning worldview.

    The most important part for me is she doesn’t go “mouthing” as President. But she has said very little thus far as President that is not out of the ordinary. If there was anything I would be one of the first to be giving out about her, if I felt she was obviously veering off her remit..

    But the impression thus far on this thread is there is a cohort of posters out to “get” Connolly having to delve into the realm of “what about” or ironically given the nature of the office “things Connolly didn’t say”.

    Posters should at least wait until Connolly trips up before they stick the boot in. Because to me the vibe of this thread is that Connolly as President is doing a great job in keeping herself in check. Leaving a disappointed cohort of posters.

    So posters who can’t wait to stick the boot in are restoring to “reading between the lines” which is itself a sign that Connolly is trying to behave in a manner appropriate to the office.

    Remember I am a person who voted against Connolly because I was given the impression she wouldn’t keep herself in check. But thus far she has proven me wrong and made her predecessors second term look silly, in comparison. A man who spoke his mind completely, and didn’t give a damn what he said in those last few years.

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,272 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    She has seven years to go is all I can say,I have little doubt there will 'incidents' further down the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,220 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    This is the key point. The President is selective about which violence she gets enraged about.

    There is a perception that she is being silent compared to her predecessor, but already in her short few months, she has spoken out about Gaza, Ukraine, Sudan and Venezuela. That does not suggest to me a President who is intent on remaining silent.

    Staying silent on the most serious internal repression in nearly 40 years is tripping up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    sympathises with a dictator's henchmen,

    It does the credibility of a complainant no favours to misrepresent. Anyone would think she had gone to their funerals and sympathised.

    Here is the sum total of what she said about an incident where Venezuelans were killed.

    And hope in a future in which, as the United Nations Secretary General has stated, there must be full respect – by all – of international law, including the United Nations Charter, a full respect for human rights and the rule of law. The recent loss of lives in Venezuela is an appalling and often overlooked consequence of recent actions.

    Have her detractors 'overlooked' that



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,220 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Francie please, they never want direct quotes. That never works. They want to make up stuff. Find where she said "henchmen" please.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,280 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    This is incorrect, she was quite happy to go mouthing on behalf of Cuban mercenaries.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,280 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Find where any poster said that she used that word, please.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You said 'she smpathises with a dictator's henchmen'

    Here again is what she actually said:

    And hope in a future in which, as the United Nations Secretary General has stated, there must be full respect – by all – of international law, including the United Nations Charter, a full respect for human rights and the rule of law. The recent loss of lives in Venezuela is an appalling and often overlooked consequence of recent actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I really don't think the loss of hired gun Cuban mercenaries (a breach of international law) protecting a dictator (who has breached numerous international laws) is a good example of appalling consequences of breaches of international law.

    The oppression of your own citizens is an egregious breach of international law, one could argue that the removal of Maduro is a morally just response to that breach.

    If our President is intent on highlighting appalling actions in breach of international law, she could start with Iran, Venezuela, Russia, China, North Korea etc. who are all guilty of repeated major breaches of international law. Unfortunately, being bound by the anti-American ideology of the Irish far-left, she can't bring herself to do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You can be as callous as you wish about the loss of life but it wasn’t just Cubans who were killed. You may have ‘overlooked that’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Venezuelan security servicemen lost their lives as well, that is true. The vast majority of those who lost their lives in Venezuela were active combatants. Ordinary Venezuelans celebrated the demise of their oppressor.

    In Iran, ordinary civilians are being killed by the henchmen of the oppressive Islamic Republic regime.

    I know which side I am on. Astonished that some posters have Maduro's kidnapping above the murder of ordinary Iranian civilians as a more depraved act.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The President was regreting the loss of lufe. She wasn’t taking a side.

    Not sure what relevance is of you being on a side. Best of luck with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    That was taking a side.period

    He who loveth the danger shall perish therein

    The henchmen would be still alive if they weren’t being henchmen protecting a dictator

    It was a stupid thing to do

    Capped only by silence on the 1000’s murdered the same week by Iran



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    As the loss of life was only on one side, she was taking a side. That is clear. She ignored the repeated blatant breaches of international law and human rights law by the Maduro regime in order to have a dig at the USA.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    There was only loss of life on ‘one side’.

    Are you making the frankly bizarre claim suggestion that the President of a neutral country can only comment if there are losses on both sides?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    It is clear from my post that I did not make that claim. Completely bizarre response. Another attempt to distract from the subject with a post directed at the poster rather than the issue.

    Our President did take a side with her comments about Venezuela.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    our president will always take any side that is against the west..

    I reckon she has a tick box formula:

    1. Against Britain
    2. Against USA
    3. Against EU
    4. Against West
    5. Against Israel
    6. Pro Hamas terrorism

    And has plenty backers to above like Wallace and Daly, SF and PBP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She commented on the loss of life.

    That’s not taking any side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    Commenting on the loss of life of mostly Cuban henchmen protecting an illegitimate brutal dictator is not taking sides

    That’s a laughable statement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Again it wasn’t only Cubans killed.
    Government ministers also commented on the event with concern. Did they make a distinction and not regret the ‘henchmen’s’. deaths?
    It’s a frankly ridiculous complaint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    Actually it’s not ridiculous at all to expect our president to stay quiet regarding the deaths of Maduru’s henchmen

    What is ridiculous is her sympathy card speech comments for them

    Even more ridiculous is her shush on the 1000’s murdered by the Iranian government the same week

    What have the two countries got in common? Yes they’ve both got despotic regimes that kill and imprison their own people for the temerity of asking for basic human rights



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    How do you know it’s her shush?

    Exactly - you don’t know so you made it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭pureza


    Oh what desperate rubbish

    President Connolly being shushed now by the government for Iran but not Maduro

    The government has no authority to shush her anyway

    You’ve been in a hole the past few weeks on this one

    I personally think the hard left have a soft spot for despots because it’s a possible source of funding they don’t want to offend bar a bit of lip service light touch complaints now and then

    And of course for a lot of hard lefties, despotic regimes show them probably one of their few routes to government

    The 1000’s dead in Iran deserves a lot more than a light touch wishy washy love hearty peace and CND few words at a young scientists competition though

    It deserves unequivocal condemnation



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,511 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I’min no hole.

    President Connolly spoke to needless deaths and implored the following of International law as many have done.

    Why she hasn’t spoken on Iran when she called them out before REMAINS to be seen regardless of speculation, which is speculation no matter what you try to spin



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