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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    A humiliating thrashing by Israel, three other nuclear armed countries US, UK and France and other regional powers you mean.
    The “coalition of like minded nations” was what shielded Israel from the worst consequences of a war they started.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That hypocritical imbecile has basically set Socialism here back decades. To think he was almost Prime Minister…

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,632 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    US removing personnel from Qatar. It won't be long till the bombs are falling on Tehran now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Maybe they have had a change of heart on the whole global empire, world dominance malarkey and are evacuating back to their own hemisphere.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    All I know is most of the people from the proud Persian civilisation are deeply scarred by the indignity of the vile arbitrary abuse meted out by Western powers in the 20th Century.

    Occupation during WWII, the coup of ‘53, the indignity of the in-your-face oil theft & terror of the puppet tyrant between 1953-1979 and the relentless hybrid war since 1979 by the US/UK/IL (including Iraq been sicced on them 1980-1988 and 1 million KIA).

    I would guess that the pool of people in positions of power or influence that would return Iran to that abject humiliation again is ... very limited. As for the public – not a chance.

    A decapitation? -the imperialists were able to park 1/3 of their navy just off Caracas. Here, they can’t be within 2,000+km of Irans borders. Any analyst I follow, says there is no possible way for the barbarians to militarily defeat Iran that wouldn’t start a truly global war.

    I’ve put up some info about the CIA/Mossad street thug network which is being or has been dismantled. However, since the effort the US & IL have put into attacking Iran is so huge over the decades, there is likely still quite a few middle level spies / sleepers / agents in place.

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    I'm sure Mossad has some involvement but it is not the main instigator. Normal Iranian citizens are furious at their pathetic and brutal overlords who themselves live in luxury while letting the people suffer. And the Iranian people will win eventually and this backwards theocratic government of bitter resentful old men will be swept away like the relic it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,917 ✭✭✭✭Water John




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,721 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Oh the irony after your posts in the Gaza thread. Talk about thick skin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Flights diverting from Iran

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,355 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Behind a pay wall . What does it say ?

    Post edited by Necro on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,217 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    The bad news for Iranians is that zombie regimes lacking any credibility can carry on for many, many years, eg, North Korea, Syria, Belarus. The good news is that, unusually, Iran is not a satellite of anybody. It’s at the centre of its own civilization and can make its own decisions without the gravitational pull of the likes of America, Russia or China. What’s needed is for a critical fraction of the regime to admit they can’t go on oppressing their people to protect a government that is running the country into the ground. It is difficult to tell from the outside how much support the mullahs still have. Essentially they’re pulling that from the same demographics as Trump - fundamentalist, ethnonationalist and hostile to change. After nearly five decades of failure that faction must be waning. Iranians are rightly proud of their history and they all know how far they have fallen in the world. It’s well past time for change.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You just confirmed that the Iranian regime wants a closed society where it cannot communicate freely and openly, and you think this is a good thing?

    You can buy starlink in a shop 5 minutes down the road, why is it 'illegal' in Iran?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    And the regime started to murder and kill them in return, how nice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Well, if its one Twitter it must be true, right?

    Iran is a master of making itself appear a lot more powerful than it actually is.

    But 6 months ago, IDF jets were flying over Tehran freely through its airspace without any repercussions. Yet, Twitter was full of apocalyptic visions for Israel, the IDF and the US… none of which came to pass. Why was that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Nonsense. The IDF made mincemeat out of their Iranian counterparts, without too much help from others.
    But it is interesting as to why Iran is so unpopular in the region, isnt it?
    Maybe they should put their resources in helping their own people rather than murdering them for protesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I think you need to stop consuming nonsense content online.

    Meanwhile
    https://www.euronews.com/2025/12/12/iran-admits-false-claim-that-israeli-f-35-jets-were-shot-down-in-12-day-conflict



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Reality?

    It is not I who is making up fantasy armies and going deep into conspiracy theories about Mossad agents under the beds of every Iranian protestor.

    But back to reality, did the IDF not give the Iranians an almighty going over?
    Are the regime not murdering their own citizens?

    Given you have made a lot over the death of civilians in Gaza, it's interesting to hear you be so blase about the death of Iranian civilians? You have made no comment on it in this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Wasn't it Trump that got involved in resolving it at the time, Israel wasnt able to stop the missile barrages, and if I can find it there was a supposed talk of tactical nuclear weapons being used behind the scenes, (possibly the military channel reported it), prompting Trump to call a stop to both sides



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It's not that bad banning Starlink. Apartheid, ethnic cleansing, crimes against humanity and forced starvation of millions of people is far worse than that isn't it ?

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Your fondness and admiration for another countries army is very odd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,325 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    It's not that bad banning Starlink.

    Yet you showed a video of Iran with captured Starlink equipment as if it was a win for your argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Mossad is involved in attempts at regime change in Iran and is active among the protesters/rioters. A former Us Secretary of State and director of the CIA as well as Israeli sources have confirmed this.

    Are you really denying that Israel, after it conducted a sneak attack on Iran while negotiations were due to take place, was defended by the militaries of the US, UK, France, Jordan etc?


    Given that you dismissed the killing of civilians in Gaza it’s amazing that you are so concerned about the killing of civilians in Iran.

    Your concern is not at the loss of life but based purely on who is doing the killing.
    That is pure hypocrisy.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Objective facts aren't fondness and admiration.

    The IDF did hand a crippling defeat to Iran. That's just an objective fact. There is no comparison whatsoever between the technology, equipment and power projection available to both sides.

    If you were watching a lion fight a gazelle, you aren't "pro-lion", a "lionist", or expressing fondness for lions to correctly predict that the gazelle hasn't a chance and is going to get mauled.

    On the other hand, making out that the gazelle has tricks up its sleeve, the lion is actually terrified of the gazelle, or whatever, would simply not be compatible with reality.

    There is always a chance the gazelle will escape of course, but that's about the best "victory" it could achieve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Maybe Iranians don’t like Elon Musk and his attempts to normalise pornagraphic images of children. People argue that it’s a free speech issue but nobody needs images of naked children in sexual poses. I’m sure you can agree Mark?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,632 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I can agree with some of what you say. Where i would disagree with you is that this is all controlled by Mossad and the CIA. I have little doubt they are taking advantage of it, but i think there is an organic angle to this whereby people are tired of the economic misery they are experiencing. I would agree a lot of that is caused by western sanctions. I don't buy that Iranians are going to embrace secular western democracy either- this is the typical propaganda we see utilised when the West is eyeing up regime change. Also i would agree with you that America don't really care about Iranian civilians, concern for human rights is very much dependent on geo political concerns. Which is why the Saudis were able to send troops to crush protests in Bahrain several years back without a word being said about it. That's just one of many examples. One last point, i dont think it's wise to deny reality when it comes to Iranian military capabilities, the reality is they talk a good game but their actual ability falls well short of the declarations they make. Unlike Markodaly i am not saying this because i am pro Israel- it should be clear i am not, i think it's just unwise to deny objective facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    A sneak attack is always going to be initially effective. If Iran launched a surprise attack on Israel without the US, UK, France etc intercepting those missiles, Israel would have suffered immense damage.
    The US intervened in behalf of Israel.

    If I sucker punched you, my younger brothers shielded me from your blows and my big brother stepped in on my behalf to attack you, I wouldn’t call it a glorious victory.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Oil down 4% on the news and airspace reopened in Iran. Great news that, hopefully they can get negotiations underway without getting bombed for once.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Let me clarify, the initial protests were normal, calm protests that you would see in most countries- where the very legitimate long-term frustration with the effects of sanctions were expressed. The gov’t were actually engaging with these protesters initially. I am not saying CIA/Mossad had anything to do with this, in fact they had absolutely nothing to do with it.

    Then BAM – the killers, firebombers & rampagers emerge from the shadows. I AM saying that CIA/Mossad are 100% in control of these mercenaries.

    At that point the legitimate protester / gov’t negotiations were interrupted and we’re straight into the global TV theater & script of Western ruling class imperialism. Same tedious, predictable murderous ‘colour revolution’ playbook every time. It never changes in its basic structure.

    Isn’t it correct that on every battlefield since the invention of ‘war’ that foreign or foreign paid mercenaries are executed immediately (even after being disarmed)?

    Agree on a lot of the rest too – this has nothing to do with US concern for human rights or killing merceneries in armed combat (portrayed on our screens as state forces killing protesters).

    Iran didn’t want the June colonial attack obviously and kept offering to have a truce, was it daily?
    But the US/Israel took up their offer after 12 days. The question is why?

    The Iranian drones were used to overwhelm the so-called iron dome then the ballistic missiles went in. Iran ratcheted up the quality & number of missiles in a calibrated manner – preserving all missiles types for a long war and to keep enough for US navy deterrence.

    On a scale of 1-10, I put the missile firepower used by Iran at 5/10 of its lethal capability at its maximum on the last 2 days. Very few of the best hypersonics were used!

    I think Iran used only roughly 5% of its best missiles stock (a guess) in the 12 days. Analysts believe that even in June Iran had the missile capability to flatten the Euro settler colony in its entirety, which is why I believe Israel wanted the truce on day 12.
    What do you think of their hypersonic missiles in this situation?

    Post edited by Lucien_Sarti on

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    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 342 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    So anti-hegemonic-Imperialism is nonsense. Interesting take!

    Newsnight.jpeg

    Here is a close up of a still from the video in this post where the presenter, panel and pro-Imperialist Persian Gusano guest are mantra-ing the standard CIA colour revolution talking points in reference to the situation in Iran.

    None of them refer to (or maybe are even aware of) the livestream that we see in the split-screen panel. Given the CIA regime-change talking points, most viewers would interpret the side panel as being a huge anti-Iranian government protest.

    Do you see the 3 photos of the Ayatollah and the Iranian flags and the calm, peaceful nature of the protest (see video).

    This in objective reality, is an anti-violence, anti-imperialism, pro-Iranian-sovereignty demonstration (which for all the regimes many faults, is of no business of anyone else on the planet except Iranians).

    The BBC are silently portraying it as an anti-government protest.

    Do you think this silent split-screen portrayal
    A) is the BBC being an arm of the imperial British state carrying out Neo-imperial war propaganda?
    B) a clumsy innocent blunder (like thousands of previous “blunders”)
    C) represents reality of the political situation in Iran (that these were anti-government / anti-regime protests)

    Post edited by Lucien_Sarti on

    James Connolly, The Irish Flag (1916)
    Common Prosperity, China (2021)



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