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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,789 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Think it's passed editing now, I would have been able earlier, its only a few pig tails and a reel of polly wire but hate giving it away when paying tax. I always thought that these were not a 'fixed item you could never claim against them. The cattle brush is fixed and I can't, the mind boggles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,048 ✭✭✭older by the day


    No way my accountant would draw back vat on pig tail posts.

    She argues that anything with the vat drawn back is not a repair and the total can not be put against one year, but spread over several years. So she doesn't draw any vat back in fencing or anything sub 2000 euro as its needed to keep my annual tax down.

    Am I the only one that is playing strictly by the rules



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    Best of luck @wrangler and a speedy recovery pg.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,016 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Good Luck @wrangler



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,169 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    That is only to name life easy for her. LikeI said my accountant was surprised as,well. They are still depreciated in the year they are bought as are small tools etc.

    Revenue is not the big bad wolf many think. Its like putting in foundations you need to deal with the reality on the ground.

    Interesting one concrete blocks, stock brick soaps, and ready mix are vat rated at 13.5% yet blocks are a product, for so e accountancy reason revenue allow them to be vat rated at the lower rate. Yet everything else is 21% sand stone, gravel even conc paving slabs and creditors brick. You could buy a water trough off a supplier and its 21% buy if he was suppling you conc blocks its 13.5%.

    There was an Irish and History teacher I had and in Irish grammar he used to say the exception proved the rules. I think of pig tails and yard brushes like that.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭green daries


    But your not playing by the rule's as you say because the items are vat reclaimable...... if there not revenue wouldn't be long Letting people know. Your accountant isn't doing anything wrong per say but neither are the people who claim the vat on them.

    Post edited by green daries on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭dzer2


    Best of luck with it wrangler hope all goes well and smoothly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭massey 265




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Need an accountant here to clarify this.

    It's not as simple as using vat as a full tax expense and also claiming it all back. There is a middle ground on it.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,781 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    BBut Is trumps current antics a sign of strength or weakness.since 1945 they have always been the dominant power but why do they need to exercise it now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,806 ✭✭✭50HX


    Because the US have an egomaniac transactional president who is all about the $'s.

    Global politics is at a tipping point.

    The only glimmer of light is the November elections in the US but even that is completely unpredictable at present



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭lmk123


    because their economy is fu**ed so they need to invade & steal to keep the show on the road for a while longer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,115 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Probably thinks it's a good distraction from not releasing the Epstein files



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 captain hadley


    Love Trump myself pisses of all the right people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,714 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    because it’s good television.
    As much as NATO needs America as the big brother, America needs NATO.
    American military power is as much down to superior Logistics. If they suddenly can’t rearm their Burke class destroyers in Roja in Spain and have to sail all the way back to Norfolk Dock Yards after every fire mission, or they can’t launch B-1,s from the UK and can’t send wounded troops to Rammstein in Germany it’s gets way harder to beat up the little guys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,115 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Yeah because that's the whole point of politics is it? Annoying the other side? The "us vs them" bullsh1t is creating even deeper divisions and only makes a civil war an even bigger possibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,536 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Interesting to see the Trump and Gript crossover showing up among new registered users.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Big_Farmer_2026


    People who don't like the **** show happening in immigration, dole waste, etc don't tend to have old accounts because there is a small core cadre of Paul Murphy type mods on those threads banning them.

    It's visible in this thread too, most lads I know farming despise the "refugee" stuff, the dole waste, the forever homes, think the transgenderism stuff is nuts but lots of them are on Facebook farming groups/WhatsApp groups etc instead where they don't have mods. If you looked at the farming forum alone you would think half the farmers in the country were non-binary people before profit student union types moaning about Trump and the far right all day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,536 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Another one! Fair enough. I think a lot of what you’re reacting to comes from the version of refugees you’re exposed to online rather than in real life. You’re hardly meeting them on your farm. Social media algorithms are very good at feeding outrage, and I can hear that anger coming through in your post.

    I live among refugees and deal with them every day in the real world, not through clips, headlines or comment sections. I see nurses on hospital wards, cleaners keeping buildings running, labourers on sites, parents dropping kids to school, and people doing shift work to get by. I also see second generation families and educated people who are quietly embedded across the working world here, contributing, paying tax and getting on with their lives.

    That day to day reality doesn’t fit the online caricature you're used to, but it’s the one I actually experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Big_Farmer_2026


    I have seen plenty of refugees in real life and see the whole scale abuse of our system and goodwill to enrich a small cadre of well connected people at the expense of our own.

    2 billion in payments last year alone for accommodation for large groups of uneducated young men from the third world who rip up their passports on arrival. I have to pay over 50% tax on my farm income because I've a good off farm job too, we are making people like the Banty into literal billionaires of this but lads like yourself will think it's all fine because you don't know the difference between a skilled worker on a visa and a "refugee". Pot holes the width of the road outside my house, family members who worked hard all their lives on years long waiting lists for basic healthcare while we are funding billions to import unemployable young men to walk up and down the town all day.

    Your post seems to strongly indicate you don't understand the difference between "refugees" and people coming here via visas to work and contribute. People with skills that will allow them to work and pay their own way to work in hospitals etc should be welcomed with open arms, they make a net contribution but we are fully intent on importing a new underclass of non-skilled welfare dependent people who will need to be given council houses etc by us forever more - as if we didn't have enough already of our own! Why do countries like Australia take the cream of the crop and our shower of idiots just let anybody in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,536 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Gript maths!!^

    Oireachtas truth: Ireland did not spend €2 billion in a single year on accommodation for asylum seekers. The actual figure for 2024 is around €1 billion, confirmed by parliamentary answers.

    Ease off on the social media pal, your benefits are safe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,811 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    When they have to cut the ribs, it's supposed to be very painful for weeks after,

    One of the tablets i'm taking is giving me horrendous tremors, i had to leave a funeral lately because i was vibrating the whole pew, If the surgery is successful i wont need those tablets any more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Big_Farmer_2026


    You have let yourself down badly there - if you are going to be wrong try not to be condescending.

    1.1 billion on iPas and 1 billion on Ukrainians who are counted separately. That is only for accommodation for current people in the system, the free houses at 400k a pop or the life long dole, fis, fuel allowance for the people we granted "asylum" to previously aren't included in that.

    https://gript.ie/e2-1-billion-spent-on-ipas-in-2024-pac-hears/?utm_source=chatgpt.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,536 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Do your homework, people from Ukraine fleeing the war are not counted as asylum seekers because Ireland applies the EU Temporary Protection Directive to them instead of the regular asylum system. Expand your learnings from Gript and Facebook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Big_Farmer_2026


    🤣 So we are paying the approx 2.1 billion then...

    We just call half of it something else. Like how the USC is not a tax, it's a social charge!

    Really do try to be less condescending though, it's not a good look when you clearly are confused about the expenditure, the difference between asylum seekers and people working in hospitals on critical skills visas etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,536 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    People from Ukraine are not counted as asylum seekers because Ireland applies the EU Temporary Protection Directive to them, not the normal asylum process. That is a basic legal distinction, not some hidden trick.

    What’s striking is how often this gets deliberately blurred on Gript and Facebook, where complex systems are flattened into rage bait. Different legal routes, different entitlements, different obligations all get mashed into one scary headline because nuance does not drive engagement. There's a war in Ukraine.

    If you step outside the algorithm bubble for five minutes, this is not controversial or secret. It is EU law, applied across multiple countries, and explained clearly by the Department of Justice. But that explanation does not travel well in spaces that thrive on outrage rather than understanding.

    You can dislike immigration policy, accommodation costs or government competence without misrepresenting how the system actually works. Confusing temporary protection with asylum is not exposing a truth. It is just repeating talking points designed to keep people angry and scrolling.

    And that's what you are - angry and scrolling… Take a break, step outside the bubble, or you will eventually find yourself in a hospital bed relying on the very refugees and immigrants you have been taught to sneer at to look after you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Big_Farmer_2026


    Again that is just semantics to cover up the substantive fact we spent 2.1 billion on accommodation in 2024, which you sneered about until you did some research and saw you were incorrect.

    Again, you are showing your basic misunderstanding of the difference between legal critical skilled visa migration and the "refugee" system when talking about hospitals.

    I don't have time to talk back and forth with a uninformed but weirdly condescending townie on a farming forum all day, I've to finish my day job and get home to feed cattle, Banty and co need their tax money too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,536 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    No need for the snobbery and elitism, we're all friends here. People’s backgrounds aren’t a social scale for you to rank others by, although you seem to have no problem doing so.

    It's the truth, it's you who doesn't understand, I've explained to you what Gript and Facebook won't. You are part of one of the most protected and subsidised groups in the country, so when it comes to refugees and migrants, you have little to complain about. They do not affect your livelihood, your land or your subsidies, and none of your money is being redirected from farming to them. Agricultural funding is ring fenced at EU level and is politically untouchable.

    What is affecting you is social media. You are being fed rage and anger by an algorithm. There are no refugees on your farm. I'll leave it at that, I've hard work to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Where's this attitude coming from? "your benefits are safe"... Your cheap food is safe is the proper way of looking at it. Have you the same issue with developers and many other industries being subsidised?

    The difference to is farmers, developers etc actually provide a service to the people.

    You're excusing over €1bn spent on accommodating asylum seekers openly abusing the system for our taxes. All to a select few IPA millionaires. You cannot simply normalise this? It's not sane behaviour.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,536 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    No, you picked me up wrong. I want subsidies to remain, I want affordable Irish food and I also provide a service to people, specifically in the FMCG small business sector.



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