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Best Place to get 8kW Solis Inverter (single phase)

  • 12-01-2026 08:33PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,868 ✭✭✭


    I'm hoping to get some electrical upgrades this year, going from 25mm^2 to 35mm^2 tails and getting a 20kVa or even a 29kVa supply. Currently at an effective 16kVa MIC with 80A isolator fuse.

    I have a 5kW hybrid and a 3kW string. Export is limited to 5kW anyway without any settings changed, but I want to have all the boxes ticked. I want to go for the NC7. I think an 8kW Solis hybrid will be all I need for the main inverter, but I would like to have a 5kW string inverter to replace the 3.6kW string inverter when I add 4 more panels to that array.

    I don't have a lot of spikes above 5kW at the moment, but by years end, I will, so I want to give myself more room to pull from the batteries rather than the grid. I'll also be able to charge and discharge more quickly.

    Where should I source the 8kW Solis? Suggestions appreciated.

    I can get one from ebay, delivered to NI for about €1500

    I see one from a site called made-in-china for about a grand, but i'm not confidence inspired there.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I'd go NC7 first before buying, software restriction to 5kW is not allowed under NC6, just so you know, there is nothing in the NC7 process that will guarantee you being able to export above NC7 level so you might be allowed a 8kW setup but be told to cap export at 5kW

    Check your transformer MIC and MEC, there's an ESBN map somewhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,868 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Yeah, I know their rules are stupidly restrictive and that they count the total inverter load. In my case, it's 5 + 3.36 = 8.36kW even though the system is constrained by the primary inverter and can't export more than 5kW.

    Is it wise to upgrade the tails, CU and get the ESB fuse upgraded before applying for the NC7? These are things I will have to do anyway. We will have 3-4 EVs plugged in (most on granny chargers) as well as charging the batteries at 8kW.

    I could live with a grid export limit of 5kW. The main reason for the upgrade is to supply the house with a greater load.

    It doesn't happen often (at the moment) but here's a couple days ago. We had decent and sometimes prolonged loads of 10kW, 8kW and 6kW.

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    Now, I'm not aiming to swallow the full 10kW loads, but with an 8kW inverter, I would bring those infrequent high load periods from 5kW to 2kW Grid importing.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    The main reason for the upgrade is to supply the house with a greater load

    What's your MIC right now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,868 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    It's a strange one. Officially 12kVa. Unofficially 16kVa due to the isolator and ESB fuse both being 80A. I keep it under 80A draw with load balancing.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,868 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    The NC7 will allow me to legally have a larger inverter, because we are not allowed get a larger inverter and software restrict export to NC6 levels. The larger inverter will let me draw more from the batteries when the load is high, rather than draw from the grid.

    The NC7 is supplementary to the MIC upgrade, which I need to draw larger loads during the night rate when I am charging up to 4 EVs. The ideal setup for me will be to have 2 x 7kW chargers and 2 external sockets where granny chargers can be plugged in. I expect that it will be very rare 4 cars would be connected, but often enough, I will need the 2 x 7kW chargers running with 1 granny charger also connected for 4 hours.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I suspect there are lots out there doing this already on a NC6 and ensuring their export never breaches the limit in which case they probably have whatever sized inverter(s) they want in their setup. 8kW would probably be on the lower end of what some are perhaps doing

    A scenario you don't want is their refusal of an NC7



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,868 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Yeah, I could do it without the NC7 and limit export. I'm just trying to make my setup compliant even though it can't actually export more than the max 5kW anyway

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,758 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Are you perhaps overestimating your car usage? How long is your night rate slot, 3h or 4h? What is the annual total mileage between all 4 cars? Pushing the 80A limit (say staying under 78A), you can buy about 19MWh per year on a 3h slot and 25MWh on a 4h slot. That is quite a lot

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,868 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Yeah, we use a lot. 40-50kWh daily. Just before we got the solar panels in 2024, we were already at 18k kWh and that was with me being away part of the year with work, so no commuting.

    We are on the 4 hour Energia EV tariff. Batteries charge at 5kW through inverter, plus 3kW rectifier. We have a MY, MS, & Leaf with 3.3 OBC. Later in the year, we will have another Leaf with the 6.6 OBC. So, right now, every night the 7kW charger and a granny charger is running.

    That's 17kW with nothing else going. The main charger has load balancing, so keeps it under the threshold, but there will often be 3 cars plugged, and infrequently a 4th one. I'll probably get away with a 20kVa supply, which will be a 125A main fuse and 100A isolator fuse. I'm not sure of the cost of the upgrade on the ESB side of things. I can atleast estimate the house side. Any ideas? What about 3-phase?

    I don't want to be constantly asking who needs to plug in and play musical chairs every night with chargers. I need more juice and unfortunately that means spending money on upgrades. I should have gone for bigger tails than I did when getting the solar installed and the CU changed.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,758 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yeah tell me about in on the musical chairs 😁

    I just installed a second 7kW charge point at the weekend. That makes a big difference already compared with the granny cable. I also just ordered a 10m type 2 extension cable with locking mechanism from Amazon. Basically so I can charge any 2 out of 3 cars anywhere on my drive. Reversing one of their eGolfs last night in the rain and dark to within inches of the house wall was far from ideal. For me. Most of the other folks in the house wouldn't even try 😂

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,758 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    BTW 40kWh per night car charging with say 15kWh / 100km average EVs, is 100k km per year. Surely you do nothing like that sort of mileage?

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,868 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Loud and clear. Just for kicks, I had the Y and S parked side by side, as close to the house as reasonable without blocking the front door. I managed to reverse the Leaf in at an angle perpendicular to the other cars. If I didn't have bushes behind the Leaf, i'd have been able to close the gates too.

    We have the 7kW charger on the side wall, near the front door with a 7.5M cable. It can reach any of the cars as long as they are parked the right way. The external socket if further down the garden on the same wall. Again, it reaches all 3 cars if parked the right way, but it's used now most nights charging the Leaf. I plan to add a Tesla charger on the other wall when the supply is upgraded. I keep picking them up and selling them on 🤣

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,868 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    The 4 hours adds about 25kWh if using the 7kW charger, so tops up a Tesla by around 30%. I'd use about 20-25% on my daily commute. You know yourself with the Leaf. Keep it charged up always, so it's plugged into the granny every night now.

    It's more than that though. I charge the storage as much as possible and discharge about 10kWh per night when I can to offset the leccy bill.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,758 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Does the external socket have its own group in your CU? If so, what wiring was used? If all good, you might just swap it out for a car charge point. That is what I did at the weekend.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,868 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Yeah, I have it on it's own RCBO, ran with 6mm^2 armoured. I plan to replace the single socket with a double smart socket tomorrow or the next day. Reason being is I want a regular 3 pin available in the garden and I will be able to plug 2 granny chargers into the double socket and have them on timers if I want.

    The Tesla charge point that I plan to install on the other wall is where I park the Y 90% of the time and it will make it slightly easier to plug in….not that it's a big inconvenience plugging in at the minute. I'll be running a fresh cable for that and the electrician can connect it when I am getting the tails done.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    For new renewals the energia one isn't really that good anymore, especially with the high use rate

    Pinergy is great if you have a lot of export, but that could change, with them being the outlier currently.

    What is coming into play is the likes of EI and flogas with their day/night/peak/EV plan.

    The EI one has 2 cheap hrs but the rest of the night at 15c but you have that from 23-8, really depends on how much day rate your buying



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,758 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Pinergy is great even if you have zero export! As long as you can get almost all of your units during the 3 hour slot. By far the cheapest at 5.98c / kWh incl VAT, no limits

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,868 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I'll wait and see what Energia offer come renewal time. I really need the 4 hours to make a real impact and charge my batteries back up. I'd take the 3 hour pinergy and make do if needed, as the 2 hours with EI wouldn't be enough even though there is a long 15c night rate.

    If I build my system to draw more energy in a shorter period, I give myself better options, but have to weigh that against the upfront costs and hassle.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The D/N/P/EV rates really depends on how much day your using.

    Currently for me it's coming in cheaper than energia at their current rates (but not the rate I'm on when renewed in August)

    Pinergy is now the cheapest, but only because their export is so high. 22cent is about my break even point for pinergy with the rest of the suppliers



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Two Granny together will generate a lot of heat, we have that setup in work (a purpose double external socket install) and given the Tesla UMC has a heat sensor it simply powers off and the App tells me the socket has gotten too hot, 20amp for hours on end is quite a draw…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,868 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    You're right. I was thinking about that lastnight. While the cable is more than adequate, the smart socket could feel the heat alright. I'll revert to my original plan and use the double socket as a timed and an open timed socket, where one socket will be free to charge anytime and the other will be timed for the cheap rate. I could install another external socket beside it off the same cable to keep the heat down if I needed to plug in 2 cars there.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,758 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I've had issues recently with my smart outdoor double socket, it seems running a granny cable for hours off it, is not a good idea. And having a dumb socket with a smart shelly switch was even worse. Although both were rated for 13A / 16A, way more than the granny was sucking

    That was the main reason why I replaced it with an EV charge point, everything working fine now. If I were you, I'd do the same. Safer too. If you go untethered, you future proof yourself too, for a future without type 1 Leafs 😁

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 456 ✭✭mjatkey


    Hi unkel, which EV charge point did you use? Cheers

    🌞 6.96kWp PV System. West Dublin🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,868 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I'd just go tethered type 2 in that instance. The type 1 Leaf has an adapter anyway and can use Type 2 charge points.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,758 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I had a zappi already but picked up a wallbox one for free on DoneDeal the other day (well I made a donation to charity). Is also smart and has pretty much identical features to zappi. It can even do 22kW if you have a 3ph connection. Maybe one day!

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    If a second charge point you could go with a used 3.6kW one, bound to be some coming up from time to time, would be fine on 2.5sq feed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,868 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I forgot. Back to my OP question. Any recommendation on where to source the 8kW Solis?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭S'


    You should be able to pick up a 8kW Deye from Alibaba. I purchase one though Alibaba in 2023 for around €1400. Newer type Solis are a direct copy.



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