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United States as a Rogue state

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,222 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    No, USA do not have permission to build major commercial shopping ports in Greenland. And no, US does not have exclusive mining rights - they have to apply for mining licenses like any other country/company. I believe Canadian and British companies currently have active licenses for rare earth exploration/mining. We are not even sure yet whether Greenland has viable deposits etc.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Hahha, so now you have other, more controversial opinions compared to Trump…do you not see what you are doing here?

    Just keep posting as you do, people are able to read your posts. Don’t worry, take care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Thanks. I'm not stupid. When I see replies to me getting 40+ likes and mine 1-3 it's obviously a controversial opinion in this particular topic. Of course I'll keep being me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The EU leaders are like the third class passengers on the Titanic



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    US and Israel look set to attack Iran. There will be no sanctions against either of them. Last time, it was supposedly to prevent Iran getting a nuclear weapon. This time no excuse and no sanctions. UK will follow and support them like a lapdog.

    The US and UK are reducing the number of personnel at the Al-Udeid air base in Qatar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭threeball


    No ones stopping an increased military foothold. They reduced their own presence from 15,000 soldiers to 150.

    As for the rest, hes not interested in deals as he'll have to pay a fee for minerals extracted. Hes not interested in that. He wants 100% and hes not going to pay some "eskimo" ti get it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,222 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    There will be a deal. Trust me. It's about sphere of influence and China/Russia know exactly where they stand now.

    There will not be an invasion or takeover. Zero chance. Too much to lose. It doesn't play.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,701 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    If they provide US exclusivity on everything, and no Denmark or Greenland permissions req. for a US Co. to build whatever they decide in Greenland in future (and presumably they will move in the workforce they need etc. as well), that is almost defacto US annexation, so Trump might accept that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,656 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Also I can't see the population of Greenland being particularly happy that their land is being exploited for whatever the US wants. It would set an atrocious precedent too. So nope, I can't see the US achieving any such agreement. And if they did, which small territory or country is next?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Denmark and the rest of Europe rolling over, in other words. I mean, if it's going to be de facto annexation, why not just have an actual annexation? The only difference would be that European leaders would have an 'out' to tenuously convince themselves that Europe and the US still have some kind of cordial, respectful relationship, which is no longer the case when it comes to Trump's presidency, and with three years (at least) left of this, all it's doing is delaying the inevitable. He's only going to continue making demands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,701 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    and @eightieschewbaccy

    Totally agree. He (and his entire admin.) are nasty bullies and eventually will have to be stood up to by Europeans. The US rattle will probably fly out of the pram on that day, as he's been kowtowed to, and had his ego stroked by the EU and multiple European leaders since the day he was inaugurated. Any serious resistance is going to feel like a terrible insult and a slight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    European leaders are clearly terrified of Trump and he will continue to use Ukraine as blackmail to get what he wants. That's the guy we're dealing with now. The idiotic American population have a lot to answer for by voting this guy in not once but twice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    We'd make a grand aircraft carrier for the Yanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    And even if the Democrats got back in, the US still wouldn't be a reliable ally because the demagoguery of Trump is no longer a blip, but a known and established tendency.

    European countries are going to have to start prioritising defence again because I don't think anyone else is going to do it for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,853 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    The EU don't really want a war with the US, which is essentially what will be called for by Denmark if the US take over Greenland against the will of the people there and the Danish. Who would want a war with the US? You'd hope that the US people would call stop if things went that way but can we really trust the majority of the US people to do the right thing?

    To maintain the global order the EU do need an 'out' and as you say that might be it.

    Do the US in general want to continue to push away their allies? You'd hope it's just the actions of a very powerful few who want this however the longer this rhetoric gets shouted and it's been ongoing for a while now, you'd wonder where all the adults in the room have disappeared to......

    So, as suggested months ago, it's likely the EU will waste billions upon billions in arming up against initially the Russians but in reality also to deal with the yanks should things go further sideways. An awful waste of money and time, enriching the already rich and bringing us closer to complete self annihilation, learning nothing from history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I hardly want to see war with the US either, but it's also clear we're in a cycle of appeasement, and that usually only gets worse until the appeased demands more than the appeaser can stand. I mean, if it were a case throughout history that one polity cedes something to another for the sake of a quiet life, wars would never ever happen, but obviously this is not the case. So, this must mean that lines get crossed. What's the line for Europe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    Europe has been incredibly naive. The Russian invasion of Ukraine was supposed to be the turning point but 4 years later it seems almost nothing meaningful has been done except now the bully making threats is not Russia or China but the US, the supposed big brother who will protect Europe and we have no one to turn to.

    If the US really wants to take Greenland I don't expect the EU to do much beyond issuing a few strongly worded statements pleading to respect the rule of law. It is an embarrassment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,853 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    You'd hope that common sense would break out at some point. If it doesn't we can be pretty certain our kids will live in far more dangerous times. As for what the line is for Europe....that is one of the issues with Europe, coming to that decision will take a fair amount of time.....and who knows what it will take to have a consensus on it. Does any country really want to send their young people to war?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,222 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    No it won't be a defacto annexation. They will do a deal. It's only round 1 of negotiations. Vance/Rubio were never going to agree anything in round 1. It will run and run. The important thing for Trump is that China/Russia aren't even at the table anymore. China were definitely sniffing around Greenland before.

    The USA lose far too much if they take Greenland and lose NATO.

    Just look at all the distractions the White House is juggling since the violation of international law in Venezuela - Greenland, ICE, Tariffs, Iran, Epstein. They have successfully flooded the zone yet again.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    European leaders have already been clear that the US can mine stuff on Greenland, as well as patrol its territorial waters in such a way that excludes Russian and Chinese shipping. Still Trump is rattling the sabre. I worry people are sticking their hands in the sand when it comes to the doctrine of Trump's America.

    The worried faces of the Danish and Greenlandic representatives suggest this is not empty words.

    Denmark and Greenland vow to 'work closely' with US after 'emotional' talks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,222 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Can you give me a link to that agreement on mining/shipping/territorial waters etc? I only have a link to the defence partnership of 1951 (military bases).

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I mean this in the sense that they're entirely open to US firms bidding to establishing mining concerns on the island as well as cooperating on the security of territorial waters. Formal agreements in this regard would give Trump what he's looking for, but this doesn't appear to satisfy him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭joe40


    Trump said that it was psychologically important to own Greenland, it is hard to see him backing down from this himself. The only hope is others perhaps in the US military or Congress will stand up to him. Ultimately I can't see Danish soldiers or or other NATO soldiers dying in Greenland for a war they can't possibly win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's also concerning because he's talked about Greenland before, nearing this time last year. He spoke of Canada in almost the same breath and same way. We kind of laughed about it then, but you'd have to think, now, that if he annexes Greenland, he will revisit the Canada thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,222 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    They are also entirely open to Chinese firms submitting mining license requests. China have enough rare earth minerals in Trumps eyes.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,222 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Wrong quote.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    They could offer the US 'priority access' as a bargaining chip, but I have my doubts Trump would accept this as a compromise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,222 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Best tactic in any negotiation is to go in hard with your opening gambit.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,222 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I already said that a few times here. The US wants exclusivity in all aspects of the deal (mining, commercial ports etc). Anyway I am repeating myself and getting bored. Let's see what happens...

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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