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Avoiding Halal slaughter plants

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,062 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    My dad trained as a butcher in the late 50’s. They did their own slaughter obviously. He said the key is the sharpness of the blade and the confidence of the cut.
    like when sometimes you cut yourself with a craft knife or similar, it’s not actually sore straight away.
    He said a good clean sharp cut bleeds an animal amazingly quick to the point they are loosing consciousness before the realise anything has happened.

    Halal should be no different really, apart from the few mumbo jumbo of prayers and that’s no different to Christian mumbo jumbo, just nonsense.

    We reared pigs here for the freezer up to last few years and it’s how they were killed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Very true there Brian.

    The animal is probably more struggling from being tied up rather than any serious pain, there's no pain from a sharp blade.

    As the old story goes, the winner of a knife fight just has the privilege of dying two hours later.

    Moo Moo Teamoo, all of my dreams come true…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    This is currently a major issue in the UK with religiously slaughtered meat now indistinguishable from conventional . That was never meant to happen .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭cr-07


    Why not just avoid the animal suffering completely by NOT slaughtering them at all - tackle the root of the problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    It is all well and good outlining what should happen but how confident would you be that what should happen actually happens ?
    Where in one plant alone, there are farmers not being paid for livestock and serious HR issues including a Director being sued over allegedly harassing an employee.Hardly inspires confidence that the right thing is routinely being done.

    The simplest option is to ban all RS meat removing the legal exemption that was put in place to protect what was then a minority



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,277 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    well, one way of framing it would be that if you'd done something to warrant execution, which method would you choose? to be stunned first or not…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭cr-07


    I know plenty of jews & muslims that do not consume meat / animal products.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I never thought I’d see an Irish farmer voice concerns like this, particularly when the North African market is so important to the beef industry since it reopened.

    You’re asking people to name and shame abattoirs, yet by your sixth post you admit you already know exactly which ones aren’t stunning properly but you don't name them. That’s a contradiction, I wonder what the game is here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,331 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    ... not getting involved here ...

    Post edited by SuperBowserWorld on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 319 ✭✭queueeye


    I heard some of that discussion. The contributor who represented one of the organisations that’s involved in halal slaughter kept referring to the animals a being “ unalived” instead of killed.

    I know it’s a term that’s used in YouTube etc and I’m not sure if the presenter enquired as to why he was using it but it struck me as a ridiculous use of language.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,783 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    It is a ridiculous use of language and the presenter didn't question it because he had already checked out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,062 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    ahhh sher cooking them alive would be difficult and more painful 🤷🏻



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭jwof2006


    No game Rambo. Just someone who is looking to make money from beef without sending their cattle to be slaughtered in a way that is contrary to best practice, as is done in North Africa and certain but not declared plants here.

    I know of SOME plants that slaughter without stunning in Ireland, but I want to know all of them so I do not inadvertently send my cattle there. It should be clear to farmers what plants are slaughtering without stunning.

    The idea of the thread was to inform people as to what plants these are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    Should change thread title to "Avoiding unethical slaughter plants" if that is the direction the discussion should be taking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭cr-07


    Sure aren’t all ‘slaughter’ plants unethical?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Most farmers would want to know if their animals were being religiously slaughtered .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭emaherx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Joebrosaysno


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/slaughterhouse-abattoir-sheep-meat-halal-warwickshire-b2705241.html

    Slaughterhouse staff played wolf sounds to sheep and ‘inflicted immense pain, fear and distress’

    Halal abattoir staff slammed sheep hard onto concrete floors and played recordings of wolves to the terrified animals as they were dying, footage reveals.

    In a string of acts captured by hidden cameras, workers also breached animal welfare laws in ways that an academic said would have inflicted “immense pain, fear and distress”.

    Sheep were inadequately killed, showing signs of life and suffering for up to four minutes after their throats were cut and when workers started dismembering them, an expert’s report says.

    A mechanical restrainer of sheep for slaughter appeared ineffective, so many sheep escaped after their throats had been cut, according to Jenny L Mace, an associate lecturer in animal welfare and ethics at the University of Winchester.

    Her report details how abattoir workers moved, hoisted and started to dismember sheep that were still conscious, with some animals showing signs of life more than two minutes after their throats were cut and even when workers had started to cut their legs off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭Sacrolyte


    In the vast majority of cases the slaughter of animals is done humanely however in this case the actions are barbaric and the perpetrators should be dealt with in a similar manner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    Depends who you ask, I guess. But a quick google tells me about 25% of the global population identifies as vegan/vegetarian, so im going to say the majority feels it is acceptable to slaughter animals for food. Once you get past that point you then split into ethical or unethical slaughtering.

    As for the article above, did it just happen to be pricks working at a Halal abattoir, or is it because the abattoir is Halal, that they treated the animals that way? Im going to guess option A, they were just pricks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭50HX


    This was all covered on Liveline yestarday without the naming of processing plants.

    All a bit of a coincidence its on here now🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Have seen it done lots of times, animal into shooting box head out and chin bar up in a instant and cut with a very very sharp knife like a sword, chin bar let down animal back and crate rolls open out to the ground leg in the air and up on the line. All done at speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    There is no difference in the meat and the only difference is the throat cut instead of the bolt and throat cut on the ground with the bolt. The animals Halal slaughtered are recorded by their tag numbers and only the the number of animals required is done this way,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭autogrow




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,163 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I've seen cattle killed for Halal and not a fan of it, to be honest. I'd much prefer to see the stun-gun used. To me Halal is done for religious reasons rather than to minimise animal suffering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    This was a good film

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    You do not understand Halal, it is a taxation system not religious requirement. The Dhiminis (non believers) pay the jyzia (tax). You should know you are paying it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,163 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    " Halal slaughter (Dhabihah) is strictly for religious reasons, as it's a method prescribed by Islamic law (Sharia) for preparing permissible (halal) meat, requiring invocation of God's name and a swift, deep throat cut to ensure rapid blood drainage, which is considered hygienic and ritually clean. It's a core part of Muslim religious life, ensuring meat is lawful for consumption, and involves specific conditions like a Muslim or People of the Book performing the act, and proper animal welfare. "

    From;

    Religious slaughter: A current controversial animal welfare issue | Animal Frontiers | Oxford Academic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭G-Man


    Someone say farmers not allowed up the kill line, ah Jayes… will farmers put up with anything.. Go up and see your cattle being killd, if they are allowed have some religious booya cant you as a farmer have one as well. they are still your cattle…

    Well its decades since i was in a kill hall as 10 year old, it was hal-al then.. I saw one animal fail to bleed out and got up and walked in the draining pan. Then someone reached for a captive bolt gun as normal as anything… even I as 10 year old was wondering why didnt he do that first., only today I learned.. that animal would not be certifeid, but this was way back in AiBP ddays so I am sure evryhting was certified just grand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    Joe must be lurking in the background here as a researcher in his spare time.



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