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Cities around the world that are reducing car access

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,311 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    heard that earlier, what's the f**king point? do they think the 12 year olds flying all over the place where i live, and every one of them seemed to get one for xmas, are listening? or the teenagers on stolen motorbikes or e-motorbikes flying around the city centre doing wheelies are listening?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,552 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    I guess they think its easier than ya know, improving road safety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,297 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Yes. Where did you get your licence?

    RSA should of course be chasing illegal scooters, it's another part of their road safety mandate.

    Our traffic deaths aren't due too our driver testing (RSA), which has become stricter over the last 20 years. My own theories are the rise in traffic deaths are due to multiple factors: the nrar universal incidence of phone use (often for navigating/traffic, but this exposes the driver to other notifications), greater fatigue due to much longer commutes, higher traffic levels on previously quiet rural roads; and just basic demographics, as the large number of children born in the 2000s start to drive (young male drivers are the worst drivers on the road, and now we've got more of them). Also, another minor factor is that in the last ten years or so we have a lot more people driving here who did not learn to drive here, and are thus unfamiliar with the unpredictability of Irish roads: statistically, though, they're still safer than Irish-norn drivers.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    ...and near zero enforcement of traffic law.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,297 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    This is untrue. Enforcement has increased in line with traffic volumes. The courts are still to quick to let people who can afford to bring a case to court wiggle out of penalty points on technicalities, but the Gardaí are catching more people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,552 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Just read that IT article. The key points are that gardener st will be done "this year" along with extending the contact cycle route to the quays. The design of college green will be done in Feb and a planning application will be submitted in Q2.

    We still dont know if and when to expect the proposed improvements to: Lincoln place, Pearse and Tara St, Hereford place or custom house quay. No word on putting in the 24hr bus gate on the north quays as far as Jervis.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Increasing in line with traffic volumes is meaningless if it was far too lax to begin with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭PlatformNine


    It will be good to see better bus priority on Gardiner St, it's already needed now, let alone post-BC. I will be curious to see what direction it is in though. I would hope northbound, as that will have both all the city bus traffic, but also a good few the notherbound regional commuters that otherwise use O'Connell southbound.

    It is good to hear that these changes are building up to a Custom House Plaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭PlatformNine


    We still dont know if and when to expect the proposed improvements to: Lincoln place, Pearse and Tara St, Hereford place or custom house quay. No word on putting in the 24hr bus gate on the north quays as far as Jervis.

    It sounds like these interventions are going to directly facilitate the changes needed at either Beresford Place or CHQ, although I really think they would pick CHQ over Beresford Place. CHQ is closed quite a bit as is and it would be easy to divert the traffic. Beresford Place not as much, and it eliminates an important bus terminus for BÉ.

    With Lincoln Place I am wondering if they are waiting for the B-Spine because of the need for a left turn onto a two-way Merriod Street Lower. I am not sure if DCC want to have any left turn there, as it might significantly reduce the amount of pedestrian space, and there are currently a lot of buses that would make that turn. After the B-Spine it would only be the 44, 2-3 outer commuters, and some commerical services that need to be rerouted.

    The Pearse and Tara St changes can't happen soon enough. I am really hoping some plans are announced soon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,552 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    northbound but only as far as Parnell Street junction apparently.

    Also the 2 way cycle route apparently only connects Beresford Place to Mountjoy SQ. it won't reach Dorset Street. It's quite frustrating that DCC keeps building such schemes and ending them a few metres short of important junctions. As they done with Clontarf to City Centre but not linking to the quays or the Vernon avenue proposal failing to connect with the Clontarf cycle route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,273 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,297 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    “Near zero” was what they said, and that’s plainly untrue. The Gardaí publish the number of penalty notices issued, and the RSA publish monthly statistics on number of penalty points. There are currently just over 500,000 drivers (so around 10% of the entire population of the state, including non-drivers) who have received penalty points, so I don’t know how you anyone can say we have “near zero” enforcement of the traffic laws; remember that bad drivers can continue to be bad drivers even after being served with a Fixed Penalty. (source for that 520,000 figure is here: penalty-points-analysis-report-december-2025.pdf - there’s also summary of where and why those drivers got their points)

    But this is a topic that everyone has a strong and often immovable opinion on, and as such it’s probably a better fit for the Motoring forums, not the Infrastructure ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Road policing personnel dropped by 41% over 15 years. Serious injuries are way up on 2014 levels (80% higher) and have been increasing since 2014. Gardai are possibly catching more offenders because there are so many more for them to catch.

    Also here's the indecon RSA report (which heavily focuses on management and funding rather than road safety outcomes). It's a good read. In simple terms the RSA is not making enough money and are prioritising revenue-generating activities rather than road safety, education, and coordination which are non-fee earning activities.

    https://assets.gov.ie/static/documents/indecon-review-of-the-road-safety-authority.pdf

    Generally speaking, RSA has 445 full time employees. 250 ish are involved in driver testing and training. 31 ish are involved in vehicle testing and vehicle standards. 52 are involved in enforcement, 11 are involved in research, 8 are involved in communications and content management.

    6 are involved in road safety education.

    According to the report, they're not able well able to fund research-based evaluation of promotional compaigns. It's 2.4% of their personnel, reviewing the work of ~1.8% of their personnel. In that context, their current public focus/prioritisation of scooters seems….interesting… I say this as someone who's never even used a scooter. The phrase "smoke and mirrors" comes to mind. The Father Ted "another prayer" theme also comes to mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,552 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    I guess the near zero remark comes from an urban point of view, the penalty points are almost all for speeding offences. Gardaí can sit on national roads and speed gun people over the limit till the cows come home that's only going to impact attitudes to speed limits and only on main inter urban roads. Enforcement of other rules in city centres is effectively zero. Red lights, yellow boxes, clear ways, bus lanes, bus gates all routinely ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭jimbob955


    So frustrating, same sort of problem in Cork City. They could easily build a greenway from Inniscarra all the way down to Crosshaven, most of the greenway is there already, they just need to connect the bits, missing pieces and as you said connect to junctions. It wouldn't take that long to connect up all the missing bits and hey presto you have a 40-50km long greenway, that would connect a massive population 200k. But no, that would take ambition and vision from the council.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,552 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    It's a matter of not being able to make decisions that not everyone will like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,552 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    A positive bit of news this morning on cycling, Gardener St, Dodder Greenway, NCR and 2 BusConnects schemes to get underway. Separately something will also be done to extend the clontarf scheme to the quays. All told there may be 3 or 4kms of quality cycle route delivered this year, still progressing at a glacial pace but welcome none the less.

    Cycle lanes, a new harbour and College Green goes bus-free – the big changes happening in Dublin this year | Irish Independent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    Nice to see some of the better cycling infrastructure getting joined up.

    Is there any proper connection between the Dodder Greenway and the Liffey Cycle Route? Or do we have to wait for the new bridge at SJRQ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,552 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    WWe'll Have to wait for ringsend scheme as part of busconnects to fill in the gap i think.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭PlatformNine


    There is also going to be a bridge across the Liffey just west of Tom Clarke Bridge connecting to the cycleway at North Wall Quay/The Point which will go a long way. However ultimately I think the Dodder PT bridge will be needed to completely tie-in the schemes, which as cgcsb says will only happen as a part of CBC Ringsend, and that is likely some years away at this point. They are only building 4 CBC schems at a time and it seems like it's not going to be the 4th concurrent one from the first batch of schemes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    And seperately theres the proposed Port Access bridge just *east* of Tom Clarke Bridge that will have pedestrian & cycle (and potentially luas provisions) as well! This will link back into the new junction of the Tom Clarke Bridge and Dodder PT Bridge (and the pedestrian bridge you mentioned).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,311 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    East Link is such a nightmare to walk/jog across as I do regularly enough. How stupid were people back when it was designed? 2 people can barely get past each other on the footpath without possibly getting crushed by a truck.

    The new bridge can't come quick enough and we're probably years off it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Are the propsed bridges from blood stoney road or forbes street still stuck in dispute?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,528 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    This suggests it will connect to Forbes St despite being named Blood Stoney Bridge: TPT_ActiveTravelViewApplication

    Is the Blood Stoney Bridge in conjunction to the works at the Tom Clarke Bridge?
    The Point Pedestrian and Cycle Bridge and Tom Clarke Bridge Widening Works | Dublin City Council

    Separately, I hadn't known that Blood Stoney Road was named after a person: Bindon Blood Stoney - Wikipedia

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,438 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I agree about EastLink (I had another close call there yesterday) but in fairness to the designers, there was basically nothing down that end of the river when it was built and virtually no pedestrians. The slow progress on the new walking/cycling bridge is very frustrating, currently plan is for it to be opened in 2029. It's also very annoying that the plans to get rid of the roundabout have been scrapped.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭Ben D Bus


    The roundabout is staying? When was this announced?



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,314 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Not sure it was ever announced, think it was one of the councillors that put it out after a meeting, I believe that there were concerns over the impact on traffic. I can't find it, but I believe that it's been delayed until after the bridges (port and public transport) have been built.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,552 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,712 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    There are already ANPR cameras installed by IR on the level crossings between Merrion Gates and Lansdowne Road, with warning signs in both English and Irish of prosecutions for infringements.

    I have yet to hear of a single prosecution, but have witnessed many many cars racing the closing gates.

    Perhaps they could start with those.



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