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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,548 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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    A window into how he sees the world....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Field east


    what the whole ICE ‘thing’ needs is a kind of ‘RTE INVESTIGATES ‘ involvement. Six months in there by someone- a new recruit obviously- could tell us a lot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I totally agree. I don't think Trump has a notion of invading and taking over Greenland. There is too much to lose. It's all bluster but somewhat calculated bluster. He will get a deal on expanding the US strategic foothold in Greenland but ownership is a red herring. He has already warned off Russia and China by making Greenland a US 'target' again. Its about exclusivity really. They are not even at the table while US/NATO backchannel a deal of some sort. As someone said above, he is also flooding the zone to take eyes off his real intentions and violation of international law in Venezuela. And the ICE murder of course. I think many people overreact to Trumps grandstanding.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,313 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    That 'interview' reads like something out of an Kindle Unlimited novel. This seems like a more likely scenario, I don't have any idea how accurate it is but it sounds less like something out of Starwars and more like a very efficient, surgical strike.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭CajunSurprise


    Trump will pardon the cold blooded ICE murder if he ever ends up in court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,289 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    They did have the facts but decided to lie through their teeth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Firstly, 5 parties for 60,000 is farcical.

    Considerably less farcical than just two parties for 350 million. In my student union days, we had three "parties" competing to represent 300 voters.

    The real farce is well south of Greenland, where voters in one part of the country see their representative sell out their interests because their party can't afford to lose a seat in some other part of the country.

    Imagine a scenario where an Irish election result was determined by what seats the AfD might get in Leipzig. That would be farcical, but that's pretty much how American "democracy" works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Economics101


    The Democrats should publish a list of Trump nominees who have lied to Congress, with specific evidence in each case. Two problems: the list would be so long it might taks a while to compile, and secondly Trump would pardon most of them.

    But you have to try, and flood the zone with something else other than Trumpian sh*t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    greatest country on earth my arse!!! Greatest basket case on earth.

    We give out about our elected representatives here, but by jaysus they aren’t remotely close to the madness and craziness in America!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    Honestly so true! Im glad my life is generaly boring and uneventfull in this country lol



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    He doesn't need a deal on expanding the US strategic foothold in Greenland. The existing deals in place allow the US strategic foothold to be as large as they want. They have chosen to reduce that from 15,000 personnel to 150 in one base because that is all that actually wanted.

    I think he very much has a notion of invading and taking over Greenland. The man has never thought about second order impacts (or even, frankly, first order ones) or a single thing he has ever done. He thinks it would be good to have his name associated with expanding US territory and thinks Greenland would be a good target cause it is large. He is a dangerous simpleton.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The link doesn't work (something ironic about the house.gov repository of legislation not working at the moment). This link should work:

    Any officer or employee of the Service authorized under regulations prescribed by the Attorney General shall have power without warrant—

    to make arrests— (A) for any offense against the United States, if the offense is committed in the officer’s or employee’s presence, or (B) for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony, if the officer or employee is performing duties relating to the enforcement of the immigration laws at the time of the arrest and if there is a likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest

    I would read it more narrowly than MM does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    He does need a deal. I am talking about more than military bases. Strategic foothold means more than military bases and troops. The US have rights to establish military bases since the 1951 defence agreement with Denmark (they still need to ask when they want new ones). He wants much more - mineral mining rights, exploration rights. He also wants the ability to build large commercial ports (and naval). He wants exclusivity too i.e. Russia/China cannot negotiate the same things (military bases, mining, ports etc) - they are locked out. They'll agree some joint "security partnership" with Denmark too. It's about sphere of influence. I'd bet money there is no invasion. Much much harder to sell to the US public.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,701 ✭✭✭yagan


    If it's all about optics then an expanded presence in greenland like they had during the cold war would be claimed as a win. Then what will he fixate on next to distract from Epstein and the economy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,376 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I wonder if the plan isn't to invade Greenland while Trump is still alive, begin the harvesting of its resources and then blame Trump when he dies while making excuses as to why it needs to stay with the US.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,567 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Should be an open and shut case in a court of law so.

    Problem i see is that theres countless similar incidents in American history and officers rarely get prosecuted let alone convicted.

    But the one constant in all my years of seeing these kind of incidents reported is comply completely and you stand a much better chance of not being shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    There's the tech bros link in investments in Greenland, could be nothing to do with prestige, rare exerts or security, just a payback for dollars they've pledged to him, kind of like his Venezuela deal for the oil backers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    He only could do that if it was a federal crime. I don't think it is.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    But the one constant in all my years of seeing these kind of incidents reported is comply completely and you stand a much better chance of not being shot.

    I agree but it says a lot about America that even complying doesn't guarantee that you won't be shot

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Economics101


    This is the reward that big business gets for contributing to White House ballrooms and other causes dear to Trump.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/12/donald-trump-threatens-block-exxonmobil-venezuela

    Has the penny dropped yet? Trump will always break his word and betray you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I understand your angle here, but I think conflation to this incident is a bit off. This incident was much more about an angry killer than a situation of danger that resulted in death. This man just murdered out of pure annoyance and anger, as opposed to some volatile/dangerous situation; a woman with both hands on a steering wheel, very slowly and gently moving away!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Agree, people tend to give his bluster too much credence and deep discussion — which ultimately feeds into his 'flood the zone' tactic.

    With Greenland, noting the US withdrew some of its presence there in the past and there is no impediment or opposition to them ramping that up again to where it was base numbers-wise and general personnel-wise, what will end up happening is exactly that — the Danes / Greenlanders will say "sure, work away" and there will be some resources agreement which probably doesn't materially change the way the US acquires such resources anyway. Trump and his cheerleaders will then marvel at how "everyone laughed but the Europeans caved in to DJT's sheer will" and credit him(self) with his powers of brinkmanship and assertion of American power.

    But I guess that's where the danger is. All this sabre rattling is a throwback to the world of imperialism and if the US is willing to so openly and flagrantly rip up the rule-based collaborative Western global order that it helped to build and gatekeep (and that's without suggesting that the US has always abided by those principles of course) in favour of the return to all out "might is right-ism", that's a signal for the unleashing of much more dangerous forces in a world. I mean, considering that the age of 19th / early 20th century imperialism culminated in the first use of atomic weapons in action, it's worrying that the current US administration is reckless as to taking the world down that path again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Yes, but the Feds have stymies any Minnesota investigation or prosecution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Exxon must be devastated.

    Exxon: 'We're not going to invest in Venezuela, it's far too unstable'

    Trump: 'We're blocking you from investing in Venezuela'

    Exxon: 'Oh no… Anyway.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    this is what Trump said about Venezuelan oil only a while ago. Now he’s trying to sell it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    Is this not just an aspect of the "anticipatory obedience" or "pre-emptive compliance" thing though? Where people under increasingly authoritarian systems comply in advance, trying to predict what authorities will want so they can avoid punishment or scrutiny, without ever being explicitly ordered?

    It's posited as a sign of democratic backsliding.

    Anyone who's had to live with a psychopath will recognise it as the constantly treading on eggshells, trying to anticipate mood, changing one's own life around to smooth over any potential bumps etc etc etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Relationships with Trump are purely transactional and very fluid. His attitude to everyone outside his family seems to be based on the last interaction he had. I doubt the Exxon CEO is too worried. Nothing a modest donation to the Trump presidential library can't solve.



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