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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,370 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Aggression wasn't a one way street like you and a handful of others wish to portray it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭SeanW


    How many Israelis were there in Gaza on the 6th of October 2023?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,370 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I have no interest in your bullshit Sean. I don't consider you honest or worth any of my time.

    And if you don't understand that Israeli's don't have to be inside Gaza to oppress the people there, it's because you don't want to.

    Everyone here knows exactly what your game is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭malibu4u


    When Israel withdrew from Gaza 2 decades ago it was not in its interests to subject those in Gaza to aggression then. But it suffered countless attacks from Gaza before Oct 7th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,370 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Gaza was open air concentration camp that was completely controlled by the Israelis. Nobody could move in or out of it without Israeli interference. The entire region of Palestine, including Gaza, has been under the Israeli jackboot for decades.

    Anyone who doesn't understand that has no business even commenting on the subject.

    Anyone who does understand that and still wants to portray events pretending that Israel is some sort of innocent party is a liar.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    I do appreciate the engagement SeanW, but your reply doesn't address the core arguments, it just creates additional, unrelated ones.

    No one (that I can see) disputes Israel right to fight Hamas, or denied the threat posed by Iran, Hezbollah, or anyone else.

    The issue raised was whether their fighting these actors justifies population wide civilian harm to the people of Gaza, and whether collapsing Jewish identity into the policies of the Israeli state is dangerous

    Arguing about "leftism", CRINKS, or the lawlessness of other states doesn't answer that.

    If international law doesn't matter, then Israel isn't defending civilization, it's just another c*nt country using force for its own ends - which is exactly what you are telling us it isn't.

    If international law does matter, then civilian protection, proportionality, and a complete ban on collective punishment has to be strictly upheld, no matter who started the war or who hasn't surrendered. You can't argue both things, it is another contradiction.

    Finally you haven't addressed the most telling contradiction in all your posts - you and your buddies question on other threads that Jews worldwide shouldn't be targeted as they are not Israel (which is completely correct), but then out of the other side of your mouths say criticism of Israel policy in this regard is antisemetic and against Jews.

    What does this do other than collectively blame jews, which is actual antisemetism 101 (rather than made up)?

    I can see no other reason for you do this other than to cynically trying to shield Israeli politicians and most brutal military commanders from accountability under international law. IHL is, imo, the most important stalwart of our civilization which you are telling us Israel is defending, whilst all I see them doing is sh*tting all over it.

    So what is more important to you - the safety and good name of Jews around the world, or Netenyahu and his buddies getting away with crimes against humanity?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,454 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    International law states that regions or countries who are being brutally oppressed have the right to armed resistance. A considerable number of European countries achieved independence from their larger neighbours this way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭malibu4u


    Gaza had its own elections / government. It was not being attacked by Israel during the 2 decades, even though Israel could have eradicated it from the map if it wanted to. Instead it actually helped it in some ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,454 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    What about their desire to be independent and autonomous? You've said yourself there are no Israelis or Jewish people in Gaza. What on earth is a country doing controlling a region where none of its own people or citizens live or want to live?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭malibu4u


    There are lots of Muslims living and working in Israel. Some even as doctors etc.

    Any Jews in Gaza are towed behind cars, beheaded, raped, tortured, held as prisoners.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,660 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Of course I have condemned Oct 7th. I'm a pacifist. There is no difference in the Israeli leaders and the leaders of Hamas, Iran, US in my opinion. All bullies and all wanting their own way. All seem to prefer war to peace. The Jewish people are not the only victims although many try to make them such.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Do you have a link to your accusations. We know Palestinians have been tied to IDF vehicles and forced to enter buildings first in case of the presence of Hamas.

    We know the IDF systematically shoot different body parts of children in their sick games.

    We know over 100,000 Palestinians in Gaza have been murdered in the last two years and over one quarter of a million injured and mutilated.

    Israel is the most sinister, murderous, genocidal, ethnic-cleansing place in the World.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,660 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    You are like many others here who only see one side of the problem. Try looking at both sides and then debating in a proper fashion. Sometimes I think that there is a particular playbook that they all work from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭Odhinn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    1. Who said anything about Hiroshima? Nobody is suggesting that Israel should nuke the disputed territories 🤔

    Insert Hiroshima, Operation Meeting House, Dresden yada yada yada, to that point. We have had them all on here. These were some of the most brutal events in mankind time on this earth, and you are using them as historical historical company for Gaza, and expecting it to look like nothing untoward is going on?

    These acts, if committed today, would all be massively illegal and unethical, but even still they were different because they were taken during wartime (actual wartime), and were not attempts to erase people from living in their country.

    2. Do you believe that Hamas were not everywhere in the Gaza strip? Most likely still are?

    Of course they weren't "everywhere". Explain what you mean? Do you think Israel bombing of every home/ farm/ school/ apartment building and hospital was justified and "Hamas" were in them? That is insane. This is the destruction of all thing civilians need to survive, under the guise of fighting terrorism. You can't argue it isn't, when Israel were starving every man woman and child in the enclave which most definitely weren't all Hamas.

    And even if it were true - do you agree with bombing a hospital and the civilians inside because a militant may be in there?

    Let's say, hypothetically speaking, there was a Hamas militant in a hospital in Tel Aviv, and the doctors weren't giving him up. Would you be ok with the IDF bombing that hospital and killing all the Israeli doctors /nurses / patients / visitors etc, to get that militant? Civilians are civilians after all.... If the answer is no, you are a hypocrit, and if it yes, then ... Well... I dunno what to say to you.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭malibu4u


    If it was genocide there would not be more Gazans alive now than before Oct 7th.

    The 100,000 figure is supplied by Hamas. Even if it were true, a large per centage of the 100,000 were Hamas fighters. Innocents die in every war unfortunately. Less innocents have died in this war as a % of total casualties than in many other wars. There would not have been a war if Hamas did not invade on Oct 7th. "Thems the facts"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    If it was genocide there would not be more Gazans alive now than before Oct 7th.

    Source ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Germany and its politicians deepen their support for the genocide in Gaza. Why was it signed in Jerusalem?

    Israel and Germany on Sunday signed a security cooperation agreement in Jerusalem, particularly against the "threat posed by Iran and its allies", according to a statement from the Israeli Prime Minister's office. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    More than 50,000 of the murdered were children. Women make up most of the rest. Hamas was only a small fighting force.

    https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/unimaginable-horrors-more-50000-children-reportedly-killed-or-injured-gaza-strip

    “Since the end of the ceasefire on 18 March, 1,309 children have reportedly been killed and 3,738 injured. In total, more than 50,000 children have reportedly been killed or injured since October 2023. How many more dead girls and boys will it take? What level of horror must be livestreamed before the international community fully steps up, uses its influence, and takes bold, decisive action to force the end of this ruthless killing of children?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    The IDF put the figure at 83% civillian casualties -

    https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/

    Also -

    "Beyond the mass death, international agencies suggest that at least 110,000 people in Gazahave been injured, including at least 25,000 children. And Unicef estimates that between 3,000 and 4,000 children in Gaza have had one or more limbs amputated. That small tract of earth is now home to more child amputees per inhabitant than anywhere else in the world."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/mar/27/gaza-palestine-children-injuries



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,370 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Sometimes I think that there is a particular playbook that they all work from.

    And it's one that's full of lies and deceit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,541 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    It's funny how selective you are about facts, sheepysheep . If you think a fact excuses Israeli conduct you amplify it, but when the facts don't you ignore them . Here are some facts for you: Israel is an illegal occupier as per the ICJ ruling.

    Israel is led by a wanted War Criminal. Finally; Israel is currently facing a genocide charge in the ICJ. Handwaving away Israeli war crimes as innocents die in a war doesn't cut it. " Them the facts,"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Is that saying Israel allowed more money from Qatar after HAMAS threatened violence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Rocko


    I'm not sure how Israel can ever regain it's reputation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    85 years of ethnic cleansing

    Senior Israeli officials on Monday publicly advocated for a permanent occupation of the Gaza Strip, defying a US-backed plan that explicitly rules out Israel’s military presence or annexation of the territory, Anadolu reports.

    The statements were made during a conference held at the Israeli Knesset titled “Gaza – The Day After,” Israel’s right-wing Channel 7 reported.

    Justice Minister Yariv Levin said Israel must maintain control over Gaza as part of what he described as its broader territorial claims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    I think it was a one-way street with Israel as the aggressor wanting to steal land everywhere and expel the native population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Merz has turned into a mix between a puppet and a ventriloquist's doll. He would jump if Israel told him to jump. Over 100,000 murdered in Gaza and he spouts on about Israel's right to defend itself by exterminating Palestinians. What Iranians need are for the sanctions to be lifted so that the economy can improve, instead more sanctions are being imposed and discussed!

    German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said Tuesday that Iran’s regime was living out its last days, as pressure grew on the Islamic Republic over crackdowns on protests that have reportedly killed hundreds of people.

    “When a regime can only hold on to power through violence, then it is effectively finished,” Merz told reporters in Bengaluru during a visit to India.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israel planning further foreign invasions.

    The US may provide up to $2bn in military aid for Israel to build tanks and armoured personnel carriers, US army documents reveal.

    Documents reported by Israel’s Haaretz newspaper on Monday showed that a new armoured vehicle plant being built in the country could be financed by its top military aid benefactor. 

    If so, it would boost the US’s annual aid budget of $3.8bn to Israel - part of a ten-year agreement. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Lapdogs make a decision.

    The European Parliament has formally banned all Iranian diplomatic staff, government officials, and representatives from entering all of its buildings, Parliament President Roberta Metsola announced on 12 January.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,304 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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