New Government of FF + FG + Regional Inds + Healy Raes

FG family myself but I want to help FF, I want to help Martin, he sacrificed himself and his party for me and my family. So what? He’s kind of checkmated me because I’m someone who doesn’t screw people like himself who act in service and with honour over?
I still probably won’t vote for him but I won’t see him destroyed after imitating me with his orange ties and having Niall Collins and others come out in such a way. It’s a death knell to take such stances in Ireland and we saw that confirmed by the vote.

hard to know, you d be surprised of the amount of ffg voters that will turn out, and the fact, the alternative, i.e. sf, are completely sh1t and scare the bejesus out of many voters

but just **** the fact that Brazilian beef is produced with no standards and pumped full of everything thing banned here.feck or I have to jump tru hoops with Bord Bia inspections every 18 months and they going tru every tiny detail.felt like telling the Bord Bia guy today that rang for my next inspection to go run and jump.

Ya **** the farmers and fcuk quality food

front page of today’s farmers journal would beg to differ

They've said they won't; but the reality is that only a very small number of people actually care; and they are more likely to be voting for the Government supporting Independents than FF/FG, if they voted for the Government in any way.

Quite a lot of those TDs are late seat, heavy transfer recipients; and plenty of those transfers are anti-government and will not go their way again. Two of them were elected solely on SF transfers. Those are all almost certain to lose their seats next time out.

Marian Harkin got the last seat by 900 votes (ahead of II). She got 200 PBP, 500 Labour and 1800 SF transfers.

Grealish got the last seat by 900 votes (ahead of II, again, oddly). He got 300 Aontu, 500 Mike Cubbard and a few hundred other definitely not FF/FG transfers.

Gogarty got the last seat by 900 (ahead of SDs). 100 Green, 200 Aontu, 200 Labour, 500 PBP transfers.

Heneghan is in the second last seat, 1600 ahead of sixth (FF). 900 Labour, 900 Aontu, 1700 SF transfers.

These four clearly got in as ABFFG candidates, and they went and joined such a Government. Only one of them is getting a Ministerial pension out of it, and she's already retired from politics previously so is probably not determined to keep going anyway.

Of the rest, Toole is last seat but has 3500 margin - but is likely somewhat an ABFFG candidate too; Canney and Moran were elected relatively early on; Lowry and the Healey-Raes are safe til they retire.

Ultimately, they aren't in cabinet.

Martin Heydon - Agriculture, Helen McEntee - Trade and Peter Burke - Enterprise, are all against it. They hold the crucial portfolios to sink it.

But as a whole, I don't think the government would be announcing this in advance without knowing that enough others are going to vote against it too. It would be a strange hill to die on just for tokenism.

They must know that either France or Italy, or both, are going to sink it. On top of Poland, Hungary, Holland and Belgium. They need 5 of those six to block it.

Oh please, Irish beef is far superior to Brazilian beef. There's no competition!

The vast majority of consumers won't care about quality. If they see an Irish steak and a Brazilian steak on the shelf, they will go with the cheaper one. Sustainability, traceability, what additives are used, quality, etc. just won't be a factor.

Irish cows are filled with those exact same antibiotics and growth hormones as and when they need them. Only difference is the documentation that goes with it

This statement is completely false. For a start, growth hormones are banned in the EU.