Metrolink south of Charlemont

The plan is a spur to the M11 with a park and ride (talking about Luas here but assume we are taking like for like with the notion for any such line).

Woodbrook is not well located for most of Bray either and not good for the M11/M50. You’d be shovelling a lot of cars into an area already overrun with traffic. Even the Bray Transport “Hub” is built around the idea of bringing buses from outlying areas to the DART and eventually the Luas both through the town and via the Transport Bridge.

I presume this is the Fassaroe spur? The bus focussed park and ride is being built there currently (haven't been past in a while but presume it's mostly complete), so hopefully the Luas will tie in with this whenever this extension goes ahead.

Yeah that one. It’s convenient for those coming from further south. North Bray (Dublin end really) will be well covered with the Luas as it enters the town and those people from further south in the town can access it from Bray Daly (walking, bus or bike as they do with the DART) or by Fassaroe.

I don’t see anyway in which Woodbrook is convenient for that target market or more particularly those from further south. We are effectively talking about in addition to Bray servicing 350k people from south of Bray itself (likely population of Wicklow less Bray plus Wexford by 2035) with this option whether Metro (which I don’t think it will or should be) or by Luas.

This makes no sense. The reason why this “area” has two rail lines is because of decisions made 200 years ago. They are high demand areas with key State infrastructure. Much of the new housing and development in the city has been horsed into Sandyford and Cherrywood. Beyond that, North Wicklow (and now further south) has experienced substantial population growth. We are not just talking about Dún Laoghaire Rathdown and parts of Dublin City Council and South Dublin, we are talking about Wicklow and Wexford- as it is there is limited park and ride rail infrastructure of easy access on the N11/M11 while part of the point of the latest rail investment is to connect the M1, M50, M4, M7 etc to better rail.

This argument is made occasionally on places like this- but why both the same argument for the Northside? The projects under the NDP will result in SIX high quality rail lines crossing through the Northside (Red, Green, DART South West, DART West, DART Coastal North, MetroLink). Core investment is going into extending the Luas Green Line, MetroLink and all three DART lines. Nobody talks about the fact that these go into wealthy suburbs (believe it or not they are there too)- they talk about the need for these lines and the potential.

Arguments on “fairness” are complete twaddle.

So to be clear - the existing “Victorian” lines in South Dublin (DART and Green Line) are enough but upgrades elsewhere of a similar vein aren’t?

Let’s be frank, the 3 highest quality lines in Dublin following the projects on deck will be MetroLink, DART+ West and DART Coastal North. This is across catchment, capacity and connectivity. They will almost entirely serve the Northside of the county. I don’t see any debates on this or perceived “fairness” and nor should there be.

Yes, your correct, Kishogue is one. Clondalkin is the other. DART was promised on this route in the 00s, 20 years later, no sign of it. Wouldnt be surprised if it still wasnt there in 20 years time. You would think electrifying a few miles of track would be something easy to do.......but in Ireland its treated as if we're tying to put a man on mars!

I’d imagine it would be to tallaght/ Firhouse via templeogue/ terenure/ rathfarnham direction which is one of the worst areas in the capital for PT.

It’s a great idea.

Anyone opposing planning should be given the same treatment as those in charlemount.