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United States as a Rogue state

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,291 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,016 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I mean, when you have politicians and media people describing old people and children torn from their beds amid murder and mayhem as being “well-treated” by their torturers, it’s not surprising that kidnapping a dictator who himself imprisoned and tortured dissidents seems less than shocking to many.

    (To be clear, I think removing Maduro is likely to turn out very badly for Venezuelans, if only because Trump is not someone who acts for anyone’s interests except his own. But I am surprised at people who had so little care for people held in inhumane conditions, in some cases for well over a year, and many of whom died from ill-treatment or plain murder, now expressing such shock at Maduro’s fate. If there’s been a softening of language about violence, I don’t think it’s been entirely about Trump.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,720 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The U.S. has always been a rogue state. The difference is that they are shouting it out loudly before they commit the roguery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,215 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Yes, but it would make clear where countries stand and might stiffen opposition in the US.

    To its credit Denmark has already said its soldiers will resist any invasion so there will probably be blood spilt if it happens which will make any shameful ‘compromise’ more difficult. Greenland is lucky it’s not depending on us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    Trump and his goons are sending Europe straight into a Chinese alliance or detente with their ignorant bullying...its a pity Europe has sleep walked into dependence on the US for defence from the Russian scum.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    The only difference between now and then it's that it effects and involves the English speaking world and members more... We left them to it when it involved Africa or middle East



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭brickster69


    In fact plenty including Denmark actually took part in many of those misadventures, many of them illegal which resulted in millions of deaths and waves of migration. Not much condemnation either on the whole.

    The US has overthrown / installed 1.25 leaders per year that they never liked since WW2, either through conflict, assassination, kidnapping, covertly, coups, election interference or through NGO's. So nothing new really, just more brazen.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,901 ✭✭✭threeball


    Absolutely, I remember being in the states in the early 2000s and it was wall to wall Terror threats and denigration of the middle east as this backward society where they eat their young. Today its the Palestinians, the South Americans are just a bunch of narco terrorists and we in Europe, well we're just too stupid and useless to run the place, its being overrun by darkies and commies.

    The US has spent the best part of 2 Centuries making up bogeymen and creating a narrative that acts as a cover story for them doing whatever the hell they feel like. Europe needs to push back. They could create hell for the Americans without having to get into direct conflict. Elite Artic teams destroying US equipment like generators needed to survive in such a harsh environment and letting the weather do the damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭brickster69


    If you don't create enemies you don't sell many weapons.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,761 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes we've bought into the US culture, a lot of it anyway. Agree 100%



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    The same Chomsky who flew on Epstein's private plane and said Russia's invasion of Ukraine is just a natural phenomenon of strong attacking the weak.

    He's right about US crimes, but he's as bad as the very people he criticises and a hypocrite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Tazz T




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    Deny Americand visas to visit Europe too, might take a hit in tourism revenue but they have to start pushing back abd taking some pain in order to pressure this administration. Problem is Starmer the quisling would welcome them in to shore up thr UK economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭Fann Linn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭Iecrawfc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,901 ✭✭✭threeball


    We'd probably pay for the planes, just like we stumped up €10m for the NFL game. Its time we started acting like a country with some belief and stopped doffing the cap to all and sundry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I have to say USA was also a rogue state under Biden in that they shamelessly facilitated the complete destruction and genocide in Gaza by flooding another rogue state with the weapons to do so.

    The USA and Israel have created so much hatred in the world. I see a much large conflict in my lifetime.

    And yet many Irish people cheer them on after watching too many Hollywood movies. The penny will drop some day.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭Fann Linn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Rogue president..stop conflating the country with the president.

    Same with Russia and Russians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Congress stood up and applauded many times when Netanyahu, a psychopathic war criminal, entered the room.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    And Germany, Italy, Poland and Hungary have all welcomed a visit by him. Are they all gone rogue as well.

    Cop on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,901 ✭✭✭threeball


    Germany have a collective guilt that makes them very amenable to Israel, the other 3 have been trying to get in Dotards good books as the best right wing boy in class, until Meloni saw the writing on the wall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Only USA and Hungary have welcomed Netanyahu since the ICC arrest warrant was issued. Hungary plan to leave the ICC.

    Do you think he is a war criminal yourself?

    Remember your point was that only the President had gone rogue. My point was about Congress.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The woman shot dead in Minneapolis yesterday is more evidence of a breakdown in law and order and proper procedures in the States. ICE representatives have described her as a domestic terrorist and said she attempted to drive into an officer. The video of the scene contradicts those lies. I wonder has the agent who killed her being arrested and questioned by the local police department?

    The woman shot dead by a federal immigration agent in Minneapolis has been identified as Renee Nicole Good, a 37-year-old mother of three who had just moved to the city.

    She was a prize-winning poet and a hobby guitarist, and according to Minnesota Senator Tina Smith, a US citizen.

    City leaders have said Good was a legal observer of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) activities. But the Trump administration has called her a "domestic terrorist".

    Good's death has sparked protests across the country, with many people holding signs that read "Justice for Renee".

    Her mother, Donna Ganger, told the Minnesota Star Tribune that her daughter was "probably terrified" during the confrontation with officers that saw her fatally shot and that she was "one of the kindest people I've ever known".

    "She was extremely compassionate," Ganger told the daily. "She's taken care of people all her life. She was loving, forgiving and affectionate. She was an amazing human being."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,423 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    is there actual proof of him flying on the plane, and can you link us to his comments about russia and ukraine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    And here he is praising Russian "restraint" in one of several quotes that could have been scripted by the Kremlin, and basically adding that Ukraine trying to resist Russia is as pointless as trying to resist a hurricane:

    • Diplomacy & Settlement: "The only alternative is a diplomatic settlement, which will be ugly—it will give Putin and his narrow circle an escape hatch... We know the basic framework is neutralization of Ukraine, some kind of accommodation for the Donbas region... and recognizing that, like it or not, Crimea is not on the table".
    • Critique of NATO & U.S. Role: He argues NATO is the "most violent, aggressive alliance in the world" and the U.S. policy is to "fight Russia to the last Ukrainian".
    • Russian Restraint: "Russia has not yet seriously hit Western Ukraine... It's not a British American kind of war. Doesn't go after destroy everything. It could, it could expand to Kyiv to Western Ukraine... You're moving up the escalation ladder. You can move up to terminal war with not much difficulty".
    • Comparison to U.S. Wars: "Russia is fighting more humanely than the US did in Iraq" and "Russia could make Kyiv as unliveable as Baghdad was," but hasn't, suggesting a form of restraint

    Also a direct quote:

    "You may not like it, you may not like the fact that there’s a hurricane coming tomorrow, but you can’t stop it by saying, “I don’t like hurricanes,” or “I don’t recognize hurricanes.” That doesn’t do any good. You can make heroic statements, if you’d like, about not liking hurricanes, or not liking the solution. But that’s not doing anyone any good."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,423 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    thank you, but people such as Epstein are highly manipulative, such is the seriousness of their narcissism, and folks such as chomsky would in fact be naive at times, therefore susceptible to manipulative behaviors, but since chomsky is a human, hes also flawed, just like you and me, and prone to making poor decisions at times, this being one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭yagan




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Crazy stuff. Sick and embarrassing. The US has severe internal dysfunction now. Not sure where it ends up. Further conflict is inevitable.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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