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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,813 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Its America?

    He'll be a celebrated symbol of bravery and justice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,172 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Been saying it for years, a horrible racist violent unjust sh*****e!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Doubtful. Everybody knows that you are getting shot if you ram law enforcement with a car, regardless of your race. Why is this even in question?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Field east


    MM , you as a military man , I am very disappointed with the spin you put on what happened . Here is another ‘spin ‘ if you will allow me . The driver could have gone straight for the fellow who fired three shots at her and if she did she would more than likely be alive today. BUT instead she turned right so as to avoid him. If you examine the footage in minute detail you should note that nobody was knocked down or for that matter stumbled or grazed by the vehicle . I will agree that the shooter was standing in front of her bumper but how far was he from the front of her bumper and how long was he standing there before the Vehicle passed him by without touching him. The circumstantial evidence will show that as the drier passed him out he had the ‘presence of mind’ to fire, his body stance allowed him to to get off THREE shots. He also shot her as she was passing him out BECAUSE if he shot her While looking at her face while standing in front of the car he would also be badly injured if not dead



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,813 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Why wouldn't a military man devoutly support ICE?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Field east


    It reminds me of a certain group and sometimes individuals using the same ‘trick ‘ in Ireland To rob a bank, etc, etc, eg wearing police uniform , blueflashing lights , mimicking removal trucks



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Erm. She did drive into the fellow who shot, though? The video shown by ABC News shows him being pushed back before to the side. The fact that her turning radius was insufficient to avoid him is irrelevant.

    Look, I'll agree he shouldn't have been there in the first place. As I mentioned above, we should be training police not to put their squishy bodies right in front of a car and triggering a situation which will result in lethal force being used. But that's irrelevant to what happened once he was there. The US legal system is filled with plenty of precedent, some quite internationally famous like Rittenhouse and Zimmerman, where people made a foolish error in judgement, but that has no relevance to the legality of the situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,289 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Here is the guy Trump just declared was run over and, in his words, 'it is hard to believe he is alive, but is now recovering in hospital'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Field east


    I forgot to mention the Miami Showband when it stopped at an official checkpoint and we know what happened . Maybe if the driver did what this. Lady tried to do they may be all still alive today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭fullstop




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,813 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    A military man tends to follow laws and can distinguish between 'this was a bad idea' and 'this was an illegal idea'.
    Military men also tend to be cogniscant of "whatever sort of an idea this is, it can get me killed, so maybe I'd better not do it if I've a choice"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    While I find this level of brutality horrendous, I tend to agree that it is not out of the ordinary for law enforcement in the US. Honestly I'd be in slow motion if I was over there and had any encounter with law enforcement.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,163 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    I posted him earlier and was told it wasn't him

    Also he's wearing a stab vest that says (on the front)..? POLICE and under that in smaller print is Federal Agent. (or something like that)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,289 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    America always relied on badly educated dumb fuckz for their military. That’s why Trump loves them. A twenty something year old who can barely spell his name but here’s an automatic rifle and some cool clothes. Your going to some far off land the kill mostly women and children and when you get blown up by an ied, we ll gather what we can find of you up with a shovel and bury you with over the top military honors. In a nice well manicured graveyard.

    America. Fook yeah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,602 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If that is the best you can come up with for a women being shot in the face by a bunch of ill trained gung-ho gurriers looking to seize people for nothing more than being illegal in the country, even in a fukced up country, you are coming across as a seriously fukced up individual that will go to any lengths as an apologist for this fascist regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,813 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Again a rabid gun nut sticking up for ICE. Its not a surprise no more than the military man leaping to their comrades defence.

    Every shooting is always justified always, it impossible to NOT have shoot first be the correct approach to any problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭freddie1970


    this World Cup will be a mess



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,959 ✭✭✭Patser


    Because everything in America now is about 'the divide'

    No-one knows name, race, background of victim yet. But Trump is labelling her a Radical left terrorist, as is Kirsti Noem.

    If the story changes tomorrow that she was a white, died in the wool Republican voter, that labelling back fires.

    If she's a purple haired, Guatemalan illegal, Trump et al will double down.

    But the car involved screams suburban Mom, is covered in those stickers that usually say things like Proud Mom of a soccer player (could just as easily say I love Mexico) - so it's a risky gamble to start throwing up labels, but once identity is known, the real spin and attacks will begin



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭Maxface


    Thoughts and Prayers to the ICE agent who murdered that woman. Hopefully he survives the night with those life threatening injuries and recovers. I have no doubt there will be a request for donations to support medical costs and so on. Go USA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,548 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I'm surprised that a woman who shot her own 14 month old dog in the head, supports this shooting.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    She was shot in the face for driving at a federal agent. Arguably a poorly-trained federal agent who shouldn't have been standing in front of the vehicle in the first place, but there he was anyway, and it's a known likely, and a legally justifiable response in to shoot in such a situation.

    This is a part of the US system which has long been the case in the US, far older than 'this fascist regime.' You don't have to like it, you do have to accept it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    The time for shock or surprise at the antics of Trump's administration or its bodies has passed.

    There's no line that can't be crossed, no behaviour that can't be condoned or even applauded. Trump's America is a fascist, military state and he's only going to get worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,341 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I think you might find that the actual scene is best shown on the video link I posted. I believe that the photo image in your post is of the shooter before the other ice agent approached her car and tried to open her car door, after which she drove her car around the car with the open door, a distance away from the shooter standing way clear of her her as she drove past him. I think the shooter is the same person in your blurred photo image which gives the wrong impression that he was being struck by her car but it was, in reality, taken at time when she and her car were being approached by the first ICE agent.

    Oner thing which I rely on is the Trump admin line that an ICE agent was run over by the dead woman before the shooting and he was hospitalized with the injuries he suffered in being run over. The shooter was standing upright when he fired at her. For a person allegedly run over or hit by the woman using her car, he sure didn't seem injured. He seems to have walked up to an ICE car, got into it and disappeared from the scene of the shooting. There were no fellow agents running up to a supposedly driven-over and injured agent in the video shot at the time to render aid etc to him [in the video whatsoever] which would have been the instinctive and trained thing for them to do.

    I'll leave it here if you don't mind as I believe the truth of what happened will come out in the wash. At the moment I hope Minneapolis doesn't turn into another George Floyd scenario. Time to pay attention to what Trump is up to and is actually doing while we are looking at Minnesota.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,892 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think Trump has already pushed that agenda and it is of course supported by his cheerleaders here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,635 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Slow motion video shows she turned the wheels of the car to the right and was trying to turn while attempting to leave. She did not drive 'at' him. If the shooting was 'justified', how come the killer ends up completely uninjured and the driver dead? No evidence that the shooting had any material impact in preventing the killer from being injured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Trump will love for there to be riots now. So he crack down and implement more bs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,210 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    He's fùcked lads, won't last a year.

    Screwing over the little man is fine, fùcking with their profits?

    That's a HUGE no!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭threeball


    Same poster always has a justification why MAGA scum from Trump down were totally justified in killing innocents and how most of them were asking for it. And hes Irish. Can you imagine how brainwashed the rest of the US military are.



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