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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,604 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I`m not that sure it was all to do with the policies of centrist parties that moved some voters to the right. Quite a bit of that imo was due to coalition governments tagging on tail of the dog parties of the left where voters thought they they had away more influence over government policies than their support merited, with this also being carried through to E.U. level.

    Presently I would not see those who did move center right moving far right. If anything the U.S. has done European centrist parties a favor by showing voters how dangerous far right parties are.

    The U.K. was always a mystery to me as to how working and middle class voters voted in Tory governments until a few years ago on holiday I read the comedian Frank Skinner`s autobiography that somebody had left behind where I was staying. Skinner grew up in a council house, his father worked in a factory and voted Tory. When he asked his father how could he vote for a party that he had nothing in common with, the father told him he voted for them because they were the only U.K. society class that were educated to run the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,552 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    CNN has a report on the incident with a statement from Homeland Security to the effect that "rioters weaponized a car and attacked ICE agents with it". It's worth remembering that an ICE agent shot another woman in her car several weeks back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I believe the mayor of Minneapolis called that “bullshit” and that they will be pursuing justice.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,163 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    I'm in no way condoning someone shooting someone in the face for driving off…but what on earth was she thinking?!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Ref the seizure of the Russian Flagged tanker, it seems, according to CNN's latest that the Russians had small craft in the water around the tanker apparently trying to obstruct it's seizure by the U.S military but due to the U.S using copters, they were unable to stop the seizure of the tanker. It didn't say where the small craft came from so, with safety, I think they may have been from the tanker to put up a show of resistance [for Russian law of the sea legal purposes] like householders waving a stick at armed housebreakers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    she probably wasn’t thinking that she was surrounded by a death squad.
    These people have no actual training, they are just sent out with guns. The shooter very much looks like he is taking advantage of the situation to murder someone. Who sees a middle aged woman in a car and instinctively starts shooting. His goal was to kill that woman.
    there is a new video/angle on Reddit of the murder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,729 ✭✭✭francois




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭fullstop



    Ashli Babbitt was murdered in cold blood and this woman was a domestic terrorist. What’s next in upside down land?

    They’re basically the gestapo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    America is a **** hole country. Full of backward fuckwits.

    Donald Trump, their president is a pedophile.

    Lots of people are saying it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭freddie1970


    😞 that’s horrific



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Probably something along the lines of ‘I’m about to be dragged from my car by masked goons and thrown in a prison cell god knows where, for absolutely no reason’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭innuendo141


    Jesus Christ, honest Americans DO SOMETHING.

    Anything.

    That video has absolutely chilled me to the bone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Possibly doing what any U.S citizen would do when one of a bunch of masked strangers show up and try to open her car door to take her from the car, drive off to save herself only for another masked stranger to shoot her dead. It's certainly not an offence meriting a death sentence. The video from the street scene covering the occurrence from the time one masked person tried to open the car door and take her from it to the fatal shooting by another masked person as she drove by him, and the car coming to a crash stop with her dead in the drivers seat is on the internet, along with other local residents interacting with a group of other masked persons on the suburban street. The Video is approx 4 minutes and 30 seconds long. https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmrf.lu%2FQvRq%3Ffbclid%3DIwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAYnJpZBEwQm03emNWeHpxNTZaS01MNnNydGMGYXBwX2lkEDIyMjAzOTE3ODgyMDA4OTIAAR5-DfZac0x-MpMl4tGwlptAcAwfl5BtGR_og2FKaP7cZ6uqvbqzKzCUF0Xyiw_aem_PUX0JqvH43GVXIGgs_j_9g&h=AT2u5_aF_eunVk5TcnStYusSLP4cxYIy6-9_J7P1a6QCVwD7TJF5w45LK_sQx_yzJA6Q4unS5HmPT9DcwrMQclmj6BIjnUGl-NJwoHDu4NLJbCsxSWoNGTPMfwIEJdWIpfWZLF0-AN-cUwTl57pOWWadbryZog&tn=R*F&c[0]=AT30SotskuNPrltViNzRpXSllEJyQhtR5K46hA5KazB4MrBWRI_FzrXFEEjdLjDvfDhPzzoUBmnOcHI5MX4lQYqj3xE4NOoDfAhKaXz0Xu_c0ATZB9catVDZAVe6toEEQRhjPqm0Hq0dN_MFR8SSirOhz9mAVXLPYhWfax4xhEgcsTyW_RFis9HIZHyWorGAc7hp0P9Roib2wjzEZbiZis2WUHPcnX4



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,638 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Looking at that video from different angles, none of the ICE / Gestapo crowd were even slightly injured in the incident - not even a graze to any of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,817 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    sure ICE is just a state supported "agency" made up of failed cops, gun nuts and wannabe Batmans. The Rittenhouse/Zimmerman/McCloskeys needed some banner to join.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭freddie1970


    This is a different level altogether



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    So this angle pretty much shows she drove forward into an agent who was standing at her front bumper.

    https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/ice-agent-shoots-kills-woman-in-minneapolis/

    That's an activity well known as liable to get you shot in the US, no matter who's doing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,817 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I am shocked that someone leaps in to wave it away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,638 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's interesting that the MAGA supporting nutcases seem totally relaxed about the ICE mob shooting dead an unarmed American woman on the streets and even claiming that 'she had it coming'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,190 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Just watched it. These ICE agents are lunatics. Poorly trained and on power trips, thinking they are in a 'movie'. Disgusting. Fascist state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    If you want, you can take a look at the link running a video of the incident above in my post. There is no agent standing in front of the dead woman's car for her to drive it at. The shooter was standing by untouched by her car as she drove it by him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,638 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    An agent who wasn't injured in the slightest in the incident, doesn't even fall to the ground or look like he was in any pain as the car moves away.

    Also, the killer who fired the fatal shot was filmed jumping into a car and speeding away from the scene 90 seconds later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,294 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    It was only a matter of time really. Masked trigger happy nuts given carte blanche to do what they want and still you will get fcukwits handwaving it away as if it normal behaviour.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,163 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    I not replying individually to every response to my post.

    I can't figure out what she thought would happen by attempting to speed away from an official stop. I wouldn't do it in Ireland. Or anywhere.

    You're stopped. You stay in the car until to told step out. You can't just speed off?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭scuba8


    She certainly did not. She was trying to get away from armed thugs who were intent on kidnapping her. None of the armed thugs had any identification. They could have been proud boys or oath keepers or any other right wing cosplay scum.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,163 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    That's mental! There was plenty of flashing blue lights and Police.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,163 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    27362.jpg

    Even this utter prick has "Police" on his vest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,638 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The ICE terrorists are not cops - they are a very poorly trained 'law enforcement' agency who are rightly regarded as the scum of the earth by regular police officers and those who are not part of the MAGA movement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    the problem is that the mainstream more centrist parties appear determined to plough on without delivering any meaningful change their publics seem to want. It's not that the public want to vote for the wingnuts, but they eventually will if they repeatedly find the center lacking answers.

    The problem is what the voting public wants and what they need are often incompatible. The centre struggles to provide palatable answers because the electorate doesn't want to hear them. So the far/hard right comes in and promises the "right" answer, and picks up votes.

    I've seen this play out over and over and over again in France. Macron and his new right-of-centrist party was elected to Get Stuff Done. And as soon as he tried, the electorate were out on the streets complaining that that's not what they voted for. Polluter-pays eco tax (a Sarkozy era scheme) - scrapped at a cost of €800m ; pension reform - scrapped ; reduced prescription drug wastage - scrapped ; general budget deficit reduction - every measure is voted down.

    MLP has no practical solution to any of these problems, but she taps into the same "MAGA" sentiment that got Trump into power. Farage is/was the same and Britain is paying the Brexit price for the electorate's gullibility.

    If there's one thing that might put the brakes on any further rise, it's the constant stream of bad behaviour by Trump & Co. with no improvement in quality of life to show for it. But knowing that my farming neighbours are ready to sacrifice all France's agricultural export advantages (and their access to EU subsidies) because they remember how great it was before they were even born … well, I'm not convinced.



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