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Clampdown on TV 'Dodgy Boxes'

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Reviewer scanned it for malware out of box and found nothing. The advantage of this device is that you don’t need to sign into Google. Just use apks.

    https://youtu.be/5WN6NvEHPFM?si=8AIhZfantWU7AtHG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    A malware scanner can only detect spyware it knows about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Of course. The same goes for cheaper Android phones. Malware usually is present with a generic Android device sold via a small reseller not the manufacturer.

    Established brands selling from their own site are very unlikely to put malware on their own branded products. But everything has some level of risk associated with it.

    Either way I’ve never input payment details into an Android device even my own kids fire tablet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,418 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    plenty already on devices from western companies from amazon and google, theyre all spying on us, all of them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭jj880


    Good to know. Hopefully this device will allow sideloading regardless of the reported requirement for certification of Google app devs next year...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭FaganJr


    Samsung A series has spyware for israel outside of Europe, I'll take China spyware over those rats all day long!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,418 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ah shur loads are using sketchy tech from israel, including the irish



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,418 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    disgraceful stuff, we should be ashamed of ourselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    The guy from Clubber makes a good point.

    He has to pay commentators, videographers etc.

    He can't do that if he can't get enough revenue, and the end game is he will go out of business and there will be no games covered and no job for the commentator or videographer.

    People here will say he should reduce his prices, but I'm sure he knows well how much he has to charge to be able to pay the bills and earn something himself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,418 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    he does of course have many good points, but the reality is, this industry is now extremely high risk for such business ventures, he and his investors knew this before setting it up, so its not entirely the fault of us thieves! again, the whole model is a failure, the article is very good is explaining this, theres multiple reasons why we use these illegal services, legal services have simply become too expensive, the whole sector is a mess in regards overall spread of content across all legal services, and of course theres the overall rapid rise in the cost of living, all leading to rapid expansion of illegal services.

    theres actually a possibility if services such as clubber folds, the monopolising big players may in fact step in, manage to get access to the viewing rights being created by clubber, on the cheap of course, and everyone ploughs on, without clubber of course, this is also a major part of the whole problem, i.e. the monopolising effects created, its a bloody mess!

    id love to know what services are being used, as mentioned in the article!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,567 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I would argue that most of the people who watch clubber matches on other sources would never pay for clubber direct - so it's not lost revenue to them…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,500 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    They are still losing revenue, even according to your own argument. From the people who are not in that "most of the people". I expect that Jimmy Doyle knows more about it than you.

    "Jimmy Doyle, the CEO and founder of streaming service Clubber, estimates the practice is costing his business a substantial share of its potential revenue."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,757 ✭✭✭dubrov


    No one really knows, even Jimmy.

    Clubber may even be getting increased advertising demand with the extra illegal viewership.

    I suspect the vast majority of viewers using illegal streams wouldn't pay for it given no other choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭jj880


    It even says in the article:

    Jimmy Doyle, the CEO and founder of streaming service Clubber, estimates the practice is costing his business a substantial share of its potential revenue.

    Jimmy Doyle knows exactly f*ck all for certain.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,500 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    His estimates and the ones on here are both the same. That he is losing revenue from the people who are not among the majority who wouldn't subscribe. It is just a matter of who would have the best information on the size of that minority who would subscribe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭jj880


    You said Jimmy knows more than posters here because he's Jimmy. Then you say his estimates are the same as those on here.

    You're an absolute head melting dose at times.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,500 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It's easy to understand. Even if someone says that they "would argue" that most people wouldn't subscribe. Or if someone "suspects" that the "vast majority" would not subscribe. It still leaves a minority of potential revenue being lost, as per what Jimmys says.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭jj880


    It still leaves a minority of potential revenue being lost, as per what Jimmys says.

    Once again you are trying to give what Jimmy's states more weight than someone else. He doesnt know any more than anyone else. This should be "easy to understand" for you.

    Unless you know more than everyone. If so post your sources.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,500 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I know what estimate and potential means. And I put more weight on his information compared to what posters here suspect.

    "Jimmy Doyle, the CEO and founder of streaming service Clubber, estimates the practice is costing his business a substantial share of its potential revenue."

    "We're conservatively thinking that we're in the 40% range [of potential revenue] right now. That's into, certainly, hundreds of thousands of people in this country," Mr Doyle said."

    "In recent weeks, Mr Doyle said efforts to counter piracy have included deliberately posting streams of older games that were subsequently picked up by illegal IPTV services. He said the move was intended to disrupt pirated feeds - but it also prompted a backlash. Mr Doyle said he received phone calls from people using dodgy boxes, complaining that they were no longer able to access the correct games."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭jj880


    His estimates and the ones on here are both the same.

    then…

    And I put more weight on his information compared to what posters here suspect.

    Either explain how Jimmy's estimates have now transformed into information or stop digging. Its getting a bit embarrassing.

    "

    Mr Doyle said he received phone calls from people using dodgy boxes, complaining that they were no longer able to access the correct games.

    "

    Is this really the hard data that gives Jimmy the edge here? Jaysus.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭flutered


    i got a loaded firestick, but i cannot get it up and running, where and how do i enter the username and password, oap so please take my handy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,500 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    More of what Jimmy said:

    "The amount of activity we got on was pretty significant in terms of people ultimately calling us out and asking us, in fairly colourful language, what's going on in our service. We obviously had the correct game going to all our subscribers," Mr Doyle said.

    "That amount of noise was a bit of a wake up call to us to realise that just how many people are actually accessing the games from illegal sites."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that part of Jimmy Doyle's job as CEO of a streaming company is knowing the size and potential size of the audience, by doing market research, looking at subscription stats, number of active user stats, looking at trends etc etc.

    I mean, it's what you would expect from a serious business.

    He has a far better grasp of the world out there when it comes to his business than the dodgy box fan boys around here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭jj880


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭jj880


    Sorry Im too busy on the phone to Sky complaining about my dodgy box sub. Do you believe me?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,497 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Indeed it should be far higher, im gonna redouble my own efforts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,662 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Jimmy couldn't give a flying fúck about the GAA or staff he has to pay.

    He wants to grow the company so he call sell the rest of it.

    If he wants to grow his user base he needs to start selling a product at a price point that is fair.

    But most importantly he needs to sell a product that isn't absolute cack.

    But but but it's the pirates. Not my shítty over priced service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,418 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    or maybe his thinking and research has inherent biases, which reveals 'facts', that arent really facts at all, but is simply just educated guesses, the same as educated guesses on here! since we re dealing with illegal activities, similar to other illegal activates, such as drug use, nobody really has a clue, everybodies just stabbing in the dark, i.e. id say jimmy's effectively just guessing, just like ourselves, its just his guesses are backed by 'market research', which is still, just guessing!

    all serious business decisions are basically based on this guessing, yes theres research done, but its simply not possible to have all the facts, as we simply dont know exactly how many are using such illegal services, and if they didnt have access to these services, how many would actually subscribe to legal services, i.e. nobody has a clue, because its not possible to gain the information needed to be absolutely sure.

    jimmy will clearly default to his own biases, as his business is on the line, and understandable so, but he knew what he was getting into, it was clearly obvious before clubber started broadcasting, that the whole model was defunct, illegal viewing was starting to already spiral by that stage, i.e. it was already an extremely high risk investment, you d wanna be nuts to get involved with it now, as its clearly obvious, the business model is a bust



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,535 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    You could say that for the majority of all subscriptions, if you take away the pirate source will they turn into legit subscribers? The answer is many won't as there is so many platforms now if you wanted to watch everything your IPTV sub provides, financially beyond many.



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