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Venezuela

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Usually ends well, doesn’t it?

    I’m guessing you’ve a very entry level understanding of war and so on…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    This the level of naivety on here is unbelievable, people think the Americans are fools , that's very far from reality and more based in hate than fact.

    this is hilarious.

    How’s that amazing American economy doing these days?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    this admin doesnt truly care for the american economy of the majority, if inflation and unemployment significantly rises, it also wont care, it also wont take an responsibility if such happens, it just wont



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    As regards the US Congress , is that a dead duck or what at this stage ?

    He does whatever he wants riding roughshod over their own laws and constitution and nothing happens or if it does it is irrelevant by the time it does

    . What are the Democrats doing to.oppose him , very little .

    US is being run by a dictatorship at this stage never mind Venezuela.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    100% doesn't apply to the US people on here are gonna have a terrible week, the US is gonna take Greenland by force cause they feel like it gets the tissues out folks, life's not gonna be fair again!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    What makes you so fearful and critical of China taking resources from smaller nations but champion when the US do it?

    Would you be ok with the US coming and taking over Ireland? We're a smaller nation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    I don't crave it I have kids would rather them not live in a war torn world, I just don't bury my head in the sand. The US is flexing its military power and will be taking what it sees fit irrespective of what anyone thinks or how much they cry about it. They simply do not care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Have to say with the whole saga about the US chasing that ship around near our IEZ that is what I have been thinking about .

    He said about Greenland that they have 'no real defence against Russian and Chinese ships near their waters and that is a threat to the US ' ( paraphrasing from what he was saying yesterday in an Air Force 1 interview with a babble of sycophants laughing at every stupid joke he made as if it was all so funny ) .

    That rhetoric could be used against Ireland too .

    But we have no oil to attract him

    Our big draw would be a foothold nearer to Europe .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    My views are the cold dose of reality on here it the only time it doesn't end well is when there is a bigger dog to stop the bully. No one is challenging the US. I would question you re knowledge on war if you want to even try challenge that.

    US does what it likes, Greenland is next end of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    China being on top of the world order is not beneficial to me or this country, I like having a first world country that is safe, so I'm interested in the West and the US at large remaining the global power and keeping the boot on the necks of China and Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I'm alright Jack, never mind the rest of the world.

    Fair play to you for your lack of morality. You're not as edgy as you think you are.

    Care to answer my question, would you be ok with the US coming and taking over Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You mean like Iraq, Syria , Afghanistan ??

    That has worked out well for the people in those countries , hasn't it .

    No point taking out a government, further destabilizing countries , and leaving them with a weak puppet government who cannot withstand extremists without endless armed support .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,605 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    We are part of an economic union living in cuckooland as regards our security and defence since WW2.

    As it stands today Europe is no closer to a unified army or even any real cohesion around military integration.

    In Ireland we cling to neutrality while under the security umbrella of the USA and the UK lecturer the world and the Israelis in particular about how they should ensure their security and defence.

    Today there is close to 100000 USA armed forces in various bases around Europe, down from circa 300k at end of the cold war. Fcuk knows how many other civilians personnel.

    Since WW2 the security around world in particular for shipping has been safeguarded by the USA and the resultant boom in trade and enrichment of huge parts of the globe.

    Over reach in Afghanistan, Iraq etc has made foreign adventures very unpopular in the states.

    The rise of China/India as a result of this security hasn't come with the expected cohesion with western norms.

    The world order has changed and could evolve very rapidly or a new administration could put the handbrake on.

    Europe has the wolf at its door since 2014 and in particular since 2022 yet still feet are being dragged with no appetite to face the new reality and actually lead. Europe with it's net zero policy and shutting coal and nuclear plants (while they are being built in china) will never be at the races.

    Since reducing but not stopping energy imports from Russia they are now just dependent on other sources with UK and Norway the only ones with any degree of security.

    Trump is a cnut, but a cnut who's grabbing resources for USA on which economies still depends and especially war time economies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Take care pal, you’re living in a weird reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    This type of talk is just weird, especially from people who aren’t American. Speaking like it’s a football team, it’s unwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    that article isnt exactly nuanced either though - the author at the end says they are literally in contact with the vice-president so its obviously going to be biased in some way

    nuance would also mention all of the negatives of chavez's regime - like using the military against his own people, intimidation of opposition, the decline of freedom of press, etc. it would also mention that the economy had collapsed before the sanctions were imposed.

    most of all, claiming the election last year was interfered with by the opposition when its accepted that literally the opposite of that happened is just ridiculous

    so yes, some more nuance would be great as with everything, the actual truth of the situation likely lies somewhere in the middle of what everyone is saying - but this article is no better than any other to be honest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes . And that cartoon displayed on a previous page with the 3 chomping at the world cake is very apt unfortunately .

    Micheál Martin is in talks with Xi Jinping at the moment.

    He may just as well be talking to Putin .

    At this stage we can only hope that the midterm elections in the US slow Trump's gallop a bit and that he concentrates more on making friends again with his allies , and that a more favourable leader comes to the fore for the next Presidential election . If this continues for another four years from 2028 with a president of a similar mindset , Europe will not fare well .

    Europe needs to reevaluate its military, defence and economic policies with a view to protection rather than it's current friend- to - all approach .

    And Ireland will have to take part in that a bit more if we want to stay the same independent little country for our grandchildren .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I don't necessarily see a Delta Force landing in the Aras to abduct CC but I could see pressure being put to allow a U.S. air force base in Ireland on the pretext that we're not up to the job ourselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭aidanodr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    There are things mentioned in the article that are not in mainstream media so the context is being broadened. For example, Machado's wealth and probable vested interests. According to the international media, some escapees were captured and there is dancing in the streets!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    But it will lead to a global conflict. History tells us that. An arms race will end in war. The League of Nations didn't work and see what happened. The UN is now broken.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    Lol apparently Trump told oil executives about the plan to abduct Maduro but not Congress. Shows who's really running the show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Of course, like ANY cou try the Yanks have interfered in, not ONE has benefited,.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Everywhere outside Maduro support areas. He has an approval rate of 20% as reported by external independent sources. It’s one of the largest refugee crisis ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    nonsense, plenty have benefited from american interference, plenty



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes . But that in itself will affect our neutrality .

    I can see that happening if we don't enter into a stronger military defence agreement with Europe which is preferable imo.

    The neutrality question needs to be addressed sooner rather than later

    .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Plenty of Americans have made lots of money from american interference, is that what you mean?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    2 things on that - there absolutely was some outside celebration, although not that much and the majority of celebrating was done in private

    might have something to do with the fear of retaliatory action being taken by the government since that had been the norm for the last while. and the decree from the government that anyone found celebrating would be jailed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i agree that some of it is different to what is being mentioned elsewhere, but its not exactly any better since it is also largely one-sided - it basically claimed that the chavez regime was all rosey and bright, whereas it also had its fair share of brutality and repression. claiming the 2024 election was stolen by the opposition is also just simply spreading misinformation.

    and there was some 'dancing in the streets'/ outward celebration in caracas (not as much as seen from expats elsewhere) - but most celebrated in private since there is still widespread fear of what the government would do to those celebrating in public (mainly since the government said they would be jailed)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The problem with the opposition in Venezuela is that it's divided between those fully in bed with the Yankees and those who've thrown in their lot less than completely.

    The outside world gets very excited about a person like Machado but she's a nobody in Venezuela. At least Trump has enough cop on to realise that.

    Trump doesn't want a strong leader with a democratic mandate he wants a weak one who will do what he/she is told.



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