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Businesses that are "cash only"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Without a licence its illegal. I don't know what your point is. Anyway, a business operating illegally is different than a business, possibly, not declaring full income.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭bog master


    In regards the teachers doing grinds, it seems a bit strange in that the employee (teacher) is defrauding their employer (the state) !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,506 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Unless teachers are boasting in public about not paying income tax, then how could anyone else know about it? Even the parents paying them. Revenue were going after them back in 2017, and no doubt they still are. They are employees of the schools Boards of Management.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/taxman-hunt-for-teachers-grinds-cash/35812847.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,458 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    If you were a teacher who also did grinds, but you were doing it correctly by declaring your income in full. You charged €50 per grind.

    Your neighbour also a teacher doing grinds for cash only. He/she charging €30 per grind.

    They are flat out doing double the grinds you were doing because they are cheaper and likely pocketing all the cash.

    Would you be so blasé about it then?

    It's usually a competitor who reports people I'd say, and rightly so. Nothing wrong with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    I have a business, there's quite a few similar businesses around. I'm not bothered by what they do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,325 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Apologies for the confusion, I'll have another go.

    I was trying to differentiate between criminal activity and legitimate businesses breaking the law.

    Prostitution and drug dealing are criminal activity. People engaged in these crimes cannot trade legitimately.

    Operating a pub, shop or taxi are not but they may break the law. They can be brought into line by Revenue or the courts and subsequently trade legitimately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,418 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    makes perfect sense, virtually nobody likes paying taxes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    OK but that's not relevant anyway, my point to the other poster was a business functioning illegally is different that a legitimate business under-declaring income



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,458 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Fair enough but lots of people in business will be bothered by rivals not paying their fair share of tax. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with them reporting this to Revenue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Even if its cash only you can still ask for a receipt for the service or good rendered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,325 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I think it has some relevance albeit somewhat tangentially but never mind we won't fall out over it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,258 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If you saw somebody stealing a car, or breaking into a neighbour's house, you'd call the guards wouldn't you?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Depends. Only services for Cash only are off the book with no warrant, invoice vat etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,091 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I think the difference there is people feel sorry for someone having their car stolen or the house burgled but don't really care if revenue is ripped off. Also id say plenty of people wouldn't bother calling the gards if they say a car stolen. I was walking around outside my friends house several times recently with a torch in my hand late at night looking for a cat. I would've looked like a burglar to the neighbours yet not one called the cops



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,325 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The usual arrangement is that if you are getting a discount for cash you don't look for a receipt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,760 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    €1900 received on average per investigation. If you assume there were a few big fish the median is probably closer to 1k. How much does it cost to have staff paid, overheads, fixed costs etc just for the 1k per investigation?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,325 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Of course there are overheads and staff pay.

    These would exist even if they collected no extra tax.

    They are fixed costs attached to all taxation systems.

    Without Audits and investigations the integrity of the system would be undermined resulting in a net loss to the exchequer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,506 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It's the opposite round my way. I have stopped carrying a torch when walking in the dark. I got fed up with Guards stopping me every 5 minutes saying they got a report about a burglar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭jem


    There is defiantly an age thing here. younger people prefer to tap while many older people prefer to use cash.

    Personally it depends on what I am paying for. I will not tap in a pub. Before I go out I will go to a machine get cash and pay with it.

    If I am paying for something small I will use cash like milk bread etc but for bigger purchases I will use card.

    I do feel that it should be mandatory to accept cash . Was in a shopping center in limerick a few days ago and went to get a box of donuts from Krispy crem. when They were in the box I was informed that they don't take cash. I said fine you may put them back as I refuse to be forced to pay by card. ( I did say it nicely) Very unhappy shop assistant.

    There are many reasons for using cash.

    Many can budget better using cash- cant spend what isn't in their pocket.

    I do advise younger people who may be looking for a mortgage to withdraw cash and pay for their pints , paddy power, lottery etc . Banks do look at a persons spending and do on occasions query as to whether the person has a gambling problem etc. ( 1 case it came up was where a chap was in a lotto syndicate and paid for it using his card.)

    There is a privacy issue.

    Some people in abusive relationships need to to cash .

    Bank fees are huge. with fees per transaction this comes off the bottom line of a business.

    A lot of the comments here state that if a business takes cash they must be fiddling the tax man that is plain wrong.

    In the vast majority of cases the cash goes into the till and is included as income of the business. Often they will pay suppliers in cash as well that goes into the payments section of their accounts. A good example of same are small shops who pay the milk or bread when they are delivered. They get their invoice and receipt for same and both the income and the expense is included in their accounts but the difference is the bank doesn't get their cut .

    I would also point out that while contactless payments are currently free in Ireland I doubt that this will always be the case.

    I firmly believe that it should be illegal to only accept card payments and refuse legal tender - cash



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,258 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So you would inform on someone breaking the law to enrich themselves. There is no difference between that and evading taxes

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,258 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I find it very difficult to believe that shops are paying their suppliers in cash.

    Sooner or later someone has to bank this cash and that costs money, there's also a substantial risk of theft or employee fraud with cash too.

    Most likely the "cash only" business is paying at least some of their staff some/all of their wages under the table in cash.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Bank fees are huge. 

    I guess this is a matter of perspective but if it's a 1% fee, is that huge? I wouldn't have said so. Factor it against the number of times a customer will leave empty-handed if you only accept cash and it's definitely not.

    A lot of the comments here state that if a business takes cash they must be fiddling the tax man that is plain wrong.

    What has been said that if a business ONLY takes cash, then they're fiddling the tax man. I don't think anyone has argued that businesses should be allowed stop taking cash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Huh? To me, one can see actual criminal intent, criminal damage,and theft,its affecting someone. The other, well, why would I inform on someone if I didn't know what they were at, I don't know if someone is paying tax, it's not my issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭bog master


    I can vouch that here in rural Ireland it is very common in small shops. Bread man delivers x amount of bread-paid in cash etc. Of course a multi hundred euro bill would likely be invoiced. But for the smaller shops, they take in a fair bit of cash, lodge it they are charged, pay it out is more time and expense. What is the problem?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Can you send some of those Guards down my way. I live in a pretty big town and there's no sign of a cop anywhere. Station isn't even open most days😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    I know of a large chain of shops who had to pay the employee's union dues in cash to the union. It annoyed the company greatly. They always suspected something was happening, and even if all aboveboard they worried about the security of the arrangement.

    I would hope it is no longer happening!



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