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The small amount of new houses being built.... houses on top of houses, no space anywhere.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭bcklschaps


    Soo..... Are we ever going to hear from @xpletiv on this thread again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,944 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Was in a new estate recently. Narrow roads, no parking except for in front of house. No front garden, miniscule back garden, very small footprint, plastic window cills, no chimney.

    Not for me, literally the only thing going for it was it's a rated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    comments like "just to and live somewhere else" show immaturity and a complete lack of ability to debate. Very immature (not you!).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,722 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Well now, to be fair, it is a valid solution, among several solutions. There are hundreds of thousands of decent properties for sale across the whole of the EU at very reasonable prices, and there's no particular obstacle to any Irish person buying one and living in it.

    If you have a lump sum available and choose to use it as a 10/15/20% deposit instead of buying an alternative property outright, that's up to you. No-one's forcing you to take out a 30-year mortgage so you can live in the same country as your Mammy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Ireland has plenty of arable land to produce plenty of food for an even greater population than the numbers that already live here. For me having a garden and some outdoor space is essential for my mental health and implying having a garden is somehow sacraficing scarce resources makes no sence. The garden I have produces food that sustains me and does not need to get shipped in from arable land anywhere else in the world and the variety of plants and habitats I have made in the garden mean it supports more wildlife than the pure ryegrass grazing land it was before. I fail to see the social or economic benefit in people being forced to live without their own outdoor space.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,280 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I remember in 1980 - 1985, calling to my friends houses, 1800 sqft houses were fairly normal.

    People on one income could buy 1800 sq ft houses in regional towns.

    Now, houses are smaller.

    Real incomes have increased, yet houses are smaller. Crazy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭reactadabtc


    My parents bought a new build in 2006. Back garden and front garden, good size house plus a garage. Not a hope would you get that now. I'd love a garden, but the house is the most important. Secure that and you're ok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    In Germany people most people live in higher density housing. And large houses with large gardens cost a fortune.

    However it does mean that you can afford to rent in a city for very little (Compared to Ireland). It also means that there's good public transport links. With Ireland's urban sprawl there's very little incentive to build much rail/tram/subway infrastructure. It's a lot harder to serve massive housing estates with trams than it is in Germany.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,824 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Ive seen it done in other countries too. With the amount of rain and wind we get it's surprising we don't do it here but I dont think Ive ever seen it here. To add insult to injury, all those places ive lived in were rental places where I wouldnt be allowed do it any way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,894 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You make a good case for gardens and we are not short of land.

    Allotments are a good option in cases where large gardens adjacent to the house are not available.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Are people forgetting about that fact that theirs a housing crisis? Yes we should never stop building all types of housing but the governments priority should be building as many small homes as possible. Small apartments, houses with tiny gardens, bedsits etc. Nobody is saying you have to live in a bog standard small home but theirs plenty of people who would love to live in a small home if they could own it one day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Where is all the extra infrastructure for all these new homes and population increases? How many new schools, hospitals, water treatment plants do we have to accommodate the increase over the last twenty years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭pauly58


    Exactly, there should be an appropriate number of doctors, dentists, schools etc. The only answer is to do as the Swiss & Dutch have suggested limit the population at a fixed figure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭thebiglad


    2006 was almost the peak of the bubble, I bought in 2004 and the property is not long back to what I paid then following the crash - I am in Suburbs of Dublin - I would say my place is as affordable now as it was in 2004 in relative terms.

    Loads of new builds have kept the prices of the 'older' stock lower.

    Commute has become an absolute nightmare but, lovely area on weekends.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,970 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Nobody beyond fringe lunatics have suggested that in Switzerland and more relevantly the chances of it happening are zero.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Not really crazy - Ireland was a poor country back then. Land was cheap, builders' wages, materials were cheap relative to now. Also houses back then were a different animal to houses now - no insulation, single pane windows, cold and damp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭bored65


    Massive amounts of excellent arable land are being converted into industrial estates covered in solar panels and BESS batteries, all while the locals can’t build anything for their kids on land they own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,129 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    How is the population supposed to be limited to a fixed figure exactly? Maybe a lottery to euthanise the excess people? Forced sterilisation? Seems a bit bonkers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭tarvis


    A new estate in a village near me. No front gardens, tiny rear gardens. Parking limited tho cars are needed. No crèche, no playground, irregular bus service, no footpath to playing fields - no nod at all at family life.
    For which ‘homes’ young couples, starting families, will pay a fortune for 40 odd years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    They should be building tall and affordable apartment blocks all over the city centre but instead are building them in the middle of housing estates and in areas where the public transport and roads etc won't be able to keep up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Let's hope we don't get any richer then, as we'll all be sleeping standing up in phone booths!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Wonderful, i hope they build lots more houses with this thinking in mind. Having a nice garden and a playground across the road would be brilliant but they are certainly not essential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭tarvis


    really - try living in a small village with little money, no facilities and try to get thru the summer holidays with growing children. Sometime spaces are essential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,894 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    No you won't, you can buy one of those old draughty houses and turn it into a little palace.

    Grants available and you'll get a half or full acre into the bargain so you can spread out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Gardens and playgrounds are important but not essential, having a roof over your head instead of been homeless is whats essential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Absolutely nothing no playground? no summer projects, no football or GAA camp, no family resource center.

    I didn't see you other post I thought ever new build has to have a creach?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,083 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Typically the planning conditions include a creche.

    The houses get built first. Then actual demand for a creche is looked at, based on who actually moves into the estate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,683 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I'm in a new build estate. There were plans for a crèche but it never happened. First, the builder wanted to amend the planning to put apartments above it, but went into liquidation in the meantime. So it was never built at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Two people working don't want a big garden it too much work, but a decent playground should be mandatory.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Who says that they don't?

    Myself and my partner both work, mainly in an office, and we absolutely love having a decent sized garden to come home to. Yes it requires some work but not as much as you're making out.

    Who doesn't enjoy having their own outdoor space to relax in on a nice sunny evening or on a Summer's day?



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