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Cities around the world that are reducing car access

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Have to say I agree with this. I had to drive in and park in Cork recently (had a long onward journey aterward) and it struck me just how slow and inconvenient it was compared to taking a bus. Sure, I could leave home whenever I wanted, and I did get to the city centre in about the same time, but then there was five minutes of crawling in a slow queue in the multistory carpark, and the walk back out to where I actually wanted to go. And let's not mention the hourly parking rate...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The M50 serves the city. The city is larger than the city centre.

    There are many more jobs in Dublin outside of the city centre than there are within it.

    The M50 allows people living in Dublin to travel to work in other parts of Dublin. They do this by driving.

    Why do you only consider the city centre when we are talking about traffic across all of Dublin?

    My point is that car usage into the city centre has reduced but car use across all Dublin has increased.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    M50 doesn't only serve the city though, it's national infrastructure. The port tunnel is part of the M50 it's a core artery actively removing HGV's from the city, it's needed at least as long as there's a port!

    You're bringing up the M50 in a thread about reducing car access in the city, but it's not really on-topic. There's no efforts I know of to remove car access from the M50. It's hard to imagine it being proposed in the long-term. There are no proposed expansions or modifications either. By bringing it up repeatedly you're unfortunately affectively astroturfing the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    My go-to in Cork is the Blackash Park & Ride, best of both worlds because there's a relatively express bus to/from the city centre so you're easy in and easy out by bus without waiting for every Tom Dick and Harry to get on/off at every stop. You're usually about 10 minutes from your car

    Limerick and Galway really need to up their games here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    We have different definitions of the city.

    You are talking about car journeys into the city centre & i am talking about car journeys from one point in Dublin to another point in Dublin.

    The majority of traffic on the M50 is not going to the port.

    A lot of the movement is cars driving from their homes on the northside to their office on the southside and vice versa.

    Some of this traffic may traditionally have driven through the city centre but is now diverted via the M50.

    It has not dissapeared. it's been diverted.

    If you dont consider all Dublin car journeys you can't comment on all Dublin traffic volumes.

    I will leave it there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Good idea. In my exact case, I think it would have been much of a muchness given that I was heading east afterward, so I’d have had to drive through the tunnel (or back into town and face the same outbound traffic as I did anyway - a much worse trip than just parking in town), but if the Dunkettle Rail P+R was in place, then a similar plan but using train would have been a lot less hassle: traffic was light at the time I was heading in to town, so the extra distance wasn’t a problem.

    I think there should be a P+R to serve every radial route into every city. Black Ash is pretty good for serving traffic from west and south, but from the east, you’d really prefer an option that didn’t involve travel through the tunnel and the Douglas viaduct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Depends on the day of the week in fairness, the tunnel isn't bad on Friday evenings or Saturdays, which is when I am mostly in Cork and since the Dunkettle interchange upgrade it's vastly improved. My usual route is going from Limerick-Mitchelstown-Blackash so I avoid the carparks at Charleville and Buttevant, not sure if it is faster but it certainly feels much faster

    A rail P&R at that location, just off a railway line and where there is already a lot of green space, would make a lot of sense, as fast as the current bus option is, it can sometimes get caught in traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Luckily it’s not just my bright idea: Dunkettle P+R is one of the stations proposed for the Cork Commuter Rail expansion, which should be going to planning next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Would be nice if things moved a bit faster on the infrastructure point as well. Something like that should have been part of the planning application for the interchange upgrade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    If you're doing Limerick-Mitchelstown-Black Ash I would seriously consider Little Island train as an option also. It's a few minutes closer than the Black Ash and quite reliable journey times. The only downside is if/when weekend engineering work lays on buses instead of trains.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    How many trains/hour though and when's the last one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Frequency is irregular: it depends on the time of day but generally less frequent than Black Ash. Where Black Ash can (at least on paper!) get you 5-10 min frequency, the max frequency you get on the train is around 10 mins, and there are some gaps of up to an hour in the schedule.

    But it starts earlier and ends later than Black Ash. Around 0615 or 0630 start and around 2300 finish, so an extra hour or more each side.

    Watch out for the Sunday schedule which is particularly irregular!

    Full detail here:

    https://www.irishrail.ie/getmedia/692de470-ddc0-4bff-adca-cb6a0a0e34fa/13_mallow_cobh_midleton.pdf

    I suggest if you know what time you'll be near Dunkettle, see if that lines up with the train. It's a very pleasant commute to be honest, and it's a particularly good way to avoid any DKI, N40 orr KRR traffic issues if you get any kind of traffic alert.

    Also a heads-up to save you time thinking, the trains drive on the left so cross over to the opposite platform in Little Island!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Frostybrew


    I must add that the rail service from Little Island is also very punctual by Irish public transport standards. It's always been on time, anytime I've used it. You won't always get this with the bus. It's also only 9 mins from Little Island to Cork Kent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Thanks for that, an 8 minute journey time as well. That isn't bad at all in fairness. Don't all trains in this country drive on the left?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    All Irish trains run on the left, but that left/right split doesn’t follow the rules of the road. Here’s what side the railways run on in Europe:

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    The two big railway pioneers were Germany and the UK, and other countries initially built their railways with engineers from those countries, hence Left railways in countries with right-passing general traffic (China also uses left running).

    Sweden is different. Its railways actually followed its roadways, as traffic passed on the left in Sweden until 1967. (see Dagen H for details)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 196 ✭✭The Mathematician


    For anyone who is interested, Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council are running a survey on plans for Dundrum: https://www.dlrcoco.ie/news/public-consultation/dundrum-design-consultation-now-open



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Pondering what to do with the gridlock in Dublin. In 1970. Including a suggestion to try prohibiting cars from the centre for a week to see what happens. And saying planning for 10 years down the line might not be seen as good enough because people want solutions now. That’s not changed much!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,273 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Would it not make financial sense for car park owners in the centre of Dublin (and possibly elsewhere in Ireland) to have their properties converted to apartments?



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Not really. These guys are getting millions a year with fairly minimal upkeep costs, with very few headaches. No tenants refusing to leave, no complaints about noise, no water leaks, etc.

    Should they be made to convert to something else? Yes, definitely. As it is though, they are quite happy to keep things as they are.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,566 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the 'brown thomas' car park has 380 spots. 4.50 per hour; if it was full for 12 hours a day, seven days a week, that's 7.5m in annual gross income.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭angel eyes 2012


    Some of these carparks are beside large hospitals such as the Mater Hospital. If you have a chronic illness and have to attend regular hospital appointments driving to the appointment makes the whole dismal experience a lot easier. This will be the same when the Children's Hospital is opened as there will be car parking available for parents and their children.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    What car park is beside the Mater Hospital? Or James' for that matter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭angel eyes 2012


    Q Park on Eccles Street and Parnell Centre near Rotunda Hospital. I don't know about James' as I don't attend there but I think they have public parking on site or at least they used to.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Obviously James' has public parking on site, all hospitals do. Nobody is suggesting removing parking from hospitals. And the Parnell Centre is a car park for the centre (mostly the cinema).

    I think the suggestion is more about the likes of Trinity St Car Park etc. However, using edge cases such as this is exactly what people always do just to maintain their own convenience. 99.9% of people driving into town and parking in these locations are not doing it to visit a hospital.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,526 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    99.9% of people driving into town and parking in these locations are not doing it to visit a hospital.

    True. Aren't they buying couches or fridges or something?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,273 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    While I'm all for reducing car access in the city and better Public transport. The reality is hospitals will always need a lot of car parking.

    So hospitals are not good examples in this conversation. And Irish hospitals are poorly planned and located for expansion and parking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,552 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Just seen the latest ad from the RSA chastising e scooter users about their 20kmh limit and carrying things. While the stand over 190 people killed by cars this year. It really is a joke of an organisation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,273 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Does it do anything other than dole out hi-viz to non-motorists?



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