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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 12.02.26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,457 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    I'm actually angry. I need to walk away from this for a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    ”Nuance” is the word people have started using when they have nothing to say but think it’s some sort of rebuttal. So I both understand nuance but also the fig leaf some are using the word as.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,083 ✭✭✭✭adox


    Statistically we shouldn’t actually have expected a Utd win seeing as the team have only managed to win more than one game in a row once in the league under this manager in 14 months (Think it was 3 game streak).

    I know anyone who says anything too negative is being dismissed but his record is appalling. Like really terrible.

    He needed time to change the culture. Fair enough. He needed time on the training pitch to implement his ideas. Fair enough. We wrote off last season because of these things (although the pathetic effort in the Europa final had alarm bells ringing for me).

    We have no European football, got comically knocked out of the league cup where Amorim seemed on the brink of walking and seemed to have given up and so have had no distractions between league games. Loads of time to implement his ideas and tactics on the training ground. A whole new front three was bought for him with two of the three proven premier league players.

    It’s just no good enough. It’s an appalling showing from Amorim. Hell even tonight we got his obligatory changing of a centre half in the second half. An utterly bizarre tactic that I will never understand.

    I knew little about Amorim before he came in but I really wanted him to work. He’s a very likeable guy but the he has offered very little to the club apart from excuses which have really worn thin at this stage.

    Ineos made a big mistake not sacking Ten Hag in that summer and I think it will be another mistake to allow Amorim until the summer.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    There is a lot to be said for having your 10 plant close to your 9. Over two years now there has been a complete discontent between the 9 and the rest of the attack. For today in the absense of the creative influence of Mount, Bruno and even a Mainoo, Zirkelsee should have been told to be no more that 10-15 yards from Sesko at all times with both playing off each other in an old fashioned 9-10 axis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭FrankN1


    Best part of the game is the day before when you can look forward to it and we haven't drawn or lost yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    Thought Sesko made plenty of chances and got on the end of quite a bit. He's had a stop start to his utd career due to injuries and no pre season. Think he's showed some good threat tonight.

    Ideally someone like a Cavani when we signed him would be ideal for now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    You almost play a 4-4-2 with Cunha more of an inside left and Zirksee and Sesko close to an old fashioned front two. Think McClair and Hughes, or Sheringham and Cole when they played. Never far apart but with Sesko on the shoulder and Zirksee dropping off on occasion, and on others Sesko holding the ball up with Zirksee close for the layoff. Not ideal, but the best of what was available and certainly far superior to anything Wolves had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    I've been around long enough to know when I'd be pissing in the wind thankfully.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭thefa


    Say something along the lines of;

    Dalot, Heaven, Licha, Shaw

    Dorgu, Ugarte, Case

    Cunha, Sesko, Zirkzee

    Doesn’t guarantee any more creativity mind you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    The ref was pretty bad in the last 20 mins for both sides tbf i thought.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    You really are a master of deflection and distraction, aren't you?

    I'll ask you again, do you believe taking Ugarte off and leaving Casemiro on was a good move by the manager?

    Yes or no will suffice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Nail on the head. 1 game a week and he cannot get any consistecy into the team. Very hard to now go spending money on players he wants when he will probably be gone before Easter. Though we do need a middle of the park player badly to carry us till the end of the Season



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Players were going down on minimal contact I thought and Cunha was the worst for it. I thought he tried to let the game flow which was a welcome change



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Unfortunately given we had so many creative players missing I think we would have struggled regardless of personnel but maybe

    GK

    Dalot Heaven Martinez Shaw

    Dorgu Casemiro Ugarte Cunha

    Sesko Zirkzee may have gotten more penetration.

    Very hard to know tbh as Zirkzee was very poor, Cunha huffed and puffed and that is kinda that for creativity options.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    Why the personal attacks when someone posts opininions contrary to yours? All my posts tonight have included reference to what occurred, in my view, of what happened on the pitch with reference to other games yet you declare I have an “inability to analyse” and am “pissing in the wind” without offering any sort of counter point apart form “nuance” without any reference to anywhere there “nuance” is applied.

    If you could point out the flaws in my thinking instead of just attacking me personally for having opposing views I might learn something and possibly develop more “nuance” in my opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,339 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    The 3rd Avatar, more entertaining than this lot we follow!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    I'm a master of deflection when you came into a direct response about taking off a defensive minded player for an attacking one when chasing a goal to "deflect" it towards the choice of defensive player to withdraw? That's a good one.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    This is interesting. We both arrived at a very similar opinion about how the team should have been structured



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Yep, from the options available and thinking of an alternative to how we did set up I think that's about the best we could have gone with. We are in agreement 🤝

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    Thats not what I said, I know you’re excited this evening so you obviously jumped in without reading the post I quoted.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,199 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    You’re talking to someone who claimed Eric Dier was keeping de Ligt out of the team at Bayern. Don’t expect too much of an informed debate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Cunha is getting a reputation with referees for his simulation.

    I thought the referee gave the defender the benefit of the doubt every time Cunha went down , some definitely looked like fouls.
    But it’s an impossible job referees have when players are constantly trying to con them - Cunha can only blame himself. I hope Amorim has a word with him.

    And don’t get me started on Cunha’s finishing……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    I think this is fair enough, Cunha goes down too easily at times and it hurts him when it's borderline. Having said that a couple of them tonight he was taken down from behind and got nothing. It's frustrating but it's something he is gonna have to help himself out with at the same time.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    A separate discussion, but I do think the time is ripe for a return to a variation of the classic 4-4-2 as a tactic in football in general. These things tend to go in cycles and it offers a lot both in attack and defence with the right personnel. The one thing is it tended to get overloaded in the middle when you had a playmaker playing between the lines for the opposition, but a variation where one of your wide players tucks in and one of your strikers goes wide without the ball can work. I’d also like to see an occasional winger again who goes on the outside. A bit more variety. A bit like Milan under Sacchi



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭gillamandango


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    Unbelievable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,308 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    He should not be posting why the personal attacks then. Hypocritical



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    In fairness apart from a very lucky defelction that resulted in a goal, Zirkzee offered nothing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    We defend in a 442 quite often and have done for a while tbf, even tonight actually. Any formation can work, the principles of play matter more so and yes the players available will have an impact for sure. Any way we set up today we were gonna be building in a 325 and defending in a 442 I think in all honesty given who was available.

    1 win in 5 at home has been such a pain in the hole to close out the year, this has to improve in the new year and I am sure it will. I got pretty emotionally detached I think after the Everton game but in some ways I think that helps me - we have gotten better, we are using different shapes and variations through games, we are depleted right now and devoid of creativity - it's not just an excuse it's a fact - the manager is, and will continue to make mistakes, he will also get things right and I am still confident that when we have the players back we will be strong enough to challenge for Champions League and ultimately finish in Europe one way or the other.

    If we don't reach that target a serious discussion will need to be had and the manager will more than likely lose his job. Anything less than Europe will deserve that but I don't go on the emotional rollercoaster after each game now. I've accepted where we are, and that we will have some great results, and some absolutely shocking ones. Tonight is a horrific one, won't be the last. I can accept it once we continue going in the right directions and I can have the patience to see where we end up at the end of the season. Everything is not awesome, but everything is also not utter ****, so we will see where we end up.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Third time I'll ask:

    Do you believe taking Ugarte off and leaving Casemiro on was a good move by the manager?

    I am not interested in the general point of taking off a defensively minded midfielder for an attacking one. I am asking about these specific players.

    As I've said, yes or no will suffice. Any further deflection and distraction and I'll consider you a troll.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Consider me whatever you want, why would you think that would have any impact on how I respond?

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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