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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124103372#Comment_124103372

    Using a comment on Reddit to support your claim that Statista is not reliable is laughable .

    The link below states 3 billion was set aside in 2023 for Ukrainians.

    https://www.fiscalcouncil.ie/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/FAR-May-2022-Box-C-Fiscal-impacts-of-Ukrainian-humanitarian-spending.pdf

    The Statista link is not behind a paywall.

    I have posted links before another falsehood .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Report of further efforts from the armed forces of Ukraine to disarm putin's terrorists with a strike on a Shahed launch site in occupied Ukraine.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,876 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The government figures for providing for Ukrainian refugees, is never a true accounting as it conveniently omits the fact that a large percentage of the money spent, is returned to the government in the form of taxes. A majority of the rest goes to businesses that provide goods and services. Most of the Ukrainians settled in rural Ireland and the government payments would have boosted local businesses and economic activity quite a bit. Schools affected by increased numbers got extra teachers, who likely were formerly doing temporary placements and now had full time positions.

    And then of course there is the little matter of the benefit to the Irish economy of all those Ukrainians who found jobs and are working.

    “We are short of population here in south Kerry – we have lost thousands to emigration – but these people get work in local shops and in the hospitality sector, so it’s a bonus for the community too,”

    Try and find an economist who doesn't say skilled, educated and motivated migrants aren't a net positive for a country and it's economy. Despite what is said about government expenditure on Ukrainian refugees, Ireland still has a gargantuan surplus of about €26 billion, which has only grown larger, despite the supposed drain the refugees are usually portrayed as. A full economic accounting might adjudge them to have been of net benefit to government finances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Dunno how they can sustain such losses, but at the moment they are, 30k dead, 35k sign up, month in, month out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,635 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Another factor is that we have spent virtually nothing on defence for the last four years, saving many billions in the process. All of this talk from the usual suspects (invariably right wing) that the Ukrainian refugees are supposedly a huge drain on Ireland is mostly hogwash - the money that the state has spent on them hasn't been 'that' significant in the general scheme of things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Also to clarify, the claim that only 25% of them work is a (deliberate ?) misinterpretation of the numbers.

    The total amount of Ukrainian refugees as per The Irish Times who use CSO numbers is 83.000.

    In the grand total of the amount of refugees it might be 25% of them who work, but a large amount of those refugees are children who are in school or higher education.

    Of those who can work the number is about 60%, as per the CSO.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/fp/p-aui/arrivalsfromukraineinirelandseries16/

    'In May 2025, 26,474 arrivals had earnings from employment, where their mean weekly earnings were €538. The most common sector of employment was in Wholesale, Transport & Accommodation at 43%'

    That's still the same give or take a few as of last month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭crushproof


    They don't care, it's honestly baffling and shows that Russian people and culture will never be the same as the west. Just chuck more of their son's into the meat grinder and get a nice payout from the Kremlin for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Simply put, they can't. It's not just the increable loss of life; you also have to consider the material cost of each conscript thrown into the meat-grinder.

    Even if the Russians are equipping their conscripts with rotten Soviet surplus from the 70s or sub-par Chinese imported gear, with each conscript the Kremlin will still need to expend food, ammo and most critically fuel in order to put them into the fight. The fuel issue in particular is one to watch for. If we start hearing of conscripts being marched all the way from boot camp in Russia to the frontline…then it's nearly the end game Russia's invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    On the global index of slavery, Russia is up there in the leaders. Vulnerability score of 60. Slavery prevalence of 13%. Government response score of 24%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    So, you would support the EU in sending more than the bare minimum? Good that we have agreed on arming Ukraine against russia aggression as being a good thing (or are you just ignoring that bit so you can continue dancing on the head of a pin?).

    Given you seem to support the bare minimum (again, plenty of opportunities to correct so far that you have not taken), the cost to Ireland (of receiving a highly educated workforce while running a large surplus budget) is minimal.

    An autonomy in Eastern Ukraine was proposed but was rejected by Ukraine .This may have worked and saved lives on both sides.

    a) Ukrainians had already voted against that during the formation of Ukraine

    b) any chance of further votes on this were stopped by the russians moving mercenaries and militias into the area that led to many Ukrainians having to flee cities such as Donetsk.

    c) By trying to take Ukraine in 3 days, russia has vilified itself even to those Ukrainians who would have wanted closer relations and use the russian language so the russian catastrophic move into Ukraine has achieved precisely it's opposite intended impact while also killing and wounding countless numbers of russians.

    Your level of knowledge on the history and latest in the conflict seems quite limited with a lot of inaccuracies in your posts, where are you getting your sources?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,155 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Putin's Russia must be close to breaking point if he's putting such pressure on Trump to get a deal from Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    On one hand, yes. Oil revenue is way down, the National Wealth fund is spent, Russia is selling off its gold reserves. On the other hand, Russians are not protesting and Putin can squeeze them for few more years at least. There are still bank savings and the pension fund that can be raided to fund the war.

    I think Putin wants to squeeze all he can from Trump before the American president becomes irrelevant, which may happen after the midterms in November 2026.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭phester28


    I understand your frustration at being called out. It must be very disheartening for you and your narrative to be proven wrong. I glad you found a link to an Irish site dated back in 2022 for estimated money set aside.

    Source.JPG

    I said statistas source (datasets) is behind a paywall, that is what the reedit link says so you can attempt to call it laughable but it is actually FACT and the truth, look at the graph on the page you posted and look at show source and you have to sign up. So I'm sorry but you are again just proven wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I heard on CNN that they are probably hoping for a "breakthrough" in the Spring.

    Post edited by amandstu on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I suspect similar. There may be a scramble now in particular since Donnie is disintegrating by the day and with the state of MAGA as it is, Vance could not dare to supplant a living Donnie despite what mental or physical condition he might be in. It’s essentially a 2 year window they’ve got and Donnie pissed most of it away.

    Russia must hope for (or engineer) a GOP win in the House in November or things turn grim for them for at least 2 years, with the potential of a Dem presidency after that. So they’ve now got 11 months where they can try to get a ceasefire along what they’ve managed to grab so far…in the hope that there isn’t some form of critical failure in their ability to wage war within that timeframe.

    Keep this in mind whenever we encounter Russia’s fellow travelers. The Kremlin is running scared, and they will now go all out on their Signals Propaganda in a mad dash to try to win Europe over to the idea of a Russian «Peace».



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Worth noting, batteries don’t do well in the cold, which I think the weather in the next few months in Ukraine will qualify as.

    There is quite the technological attempt ongoing to get drone batteries to work usefully in sub zero conditions, Ukraine have even incorporated internal combustion engines in some, and some larger, more expensive ones may have heating systems installed (same as electric cars in cold climes) but combine the fact that in winter they generally have substantially less endurance, and they tend not to like bad weather to operate in, the next few months are going to be something of a break in drone operations, and a new slew of counter drone capabilities are likely to be fielded (on both sides) before the drone season starts up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Could they not switch to using non rechargeable batteries. They perform much better in cold temperatures and for suicide drones....... Why would you need rechargeable ones!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    A job I had in a previous life was testing thermal batteries used in wire-guided missiles …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,876 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said on Tuesday that the United States agreed, as part of security guarantees for Ukraine, after reaching a peace agreement, to send its military to the Russian-Ukrainian border or line of contact.

    Ah, and I think here we have what scared the Orcs into making up nonsense about one of Putrid's houses being targeted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,535 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Another tweet about US troops in Ukraine:

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    (http://x.com/idreesali114/status/2006031212851212516)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Zaporizhia city, home to 700,000 people, now 80km away after fall of Huliapole. Decision being blamed on sending best Ukrainian Southern troops to Pokrovsk-Myronohrad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Did it fall ? Deepstate seems to indicate it's still contested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Inspiral Carpets?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Looks like music stopped playing. Now it’s just this constant “pulse” which I think is the standard background noise for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    That used to be the code that the russian government had a coup or something was seriously wrong.

    Hopefully Putin is dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Great entertainment nowadays for Russians.

    Google translate came back with.. No f**king way. Thank you Grandfather. What a f**king Christmas tree.



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