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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Iamwhoiam, can you post the link thanks. Social media has become a cesspool and shouldn't be taken as gospel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,118 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    You should sent that to TDs/Min for Justice, as it is grossly unfair state subsidy creating a floor for rents nationally



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,418 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Regardless of the authenticity of the post ( which I cant find again ) the facts remain . ARP is still payable at €600 to anyone who rents a room to a Ukrainian regardless of their income or circumstances . The same does not apply to an Irish or EU citizen

    It is paid whether the Ukrainian person is earning a good salary or is receiving social welfare

    Yes they reduced the ARP from €800 to €600 per month but its still a huge inequality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,346 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Strangly either it or one very similar came up on my Facebook feed this morning too, a girl living in Dun Laoghaire I think. Was on a page I don't follow, so thought it was odd that it was suggested for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Phat Cat


    Same here, she was looking for a place to live in Dalkey close to her job and mentioned ARP. I randomly get these posts on my feed every now and again. The worrying thing is that if you type 'Ukraine Accommodation' into the search bar, there are hundreds of similar posts and dozens of groups and communities set up for these types of posts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,697 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I would imagine the Ukrainian people can't believe what is going on here compared to other countries.

    I don't really blame them to be honest, why wouldn't you come here when we are offering so much to them.

    It's like someone desperate to win a popularity contest by throwing more money at something then everyone else and for no reason besides looking to buy popularity.

    I wouldn't mind if we were doing this for essential construction or healthcare workers.

    I don't see why we are going above and beyond on this besides trying to look popular.

    Like I said I don't blame them, I blame the most incompetent government in the history of this country.

    The fact that the opposition are even worse is very depressing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,052 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    No surprise Kitty Holland would be saying something like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,052 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Ukrainians regularly post on Facebook looking for accommodation and clearly state they are on the ARP scheme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,461 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    It is just virtue signalling nonsense from the politicians, all trying to one up each other for a pat on the back and be told they are a great person with only a few like Carol Nolan calling it out. Then you have their cheerleaders in the media cheering this on and calling anyone against this far right and racist.

    The truth is that the majority of people are not against people coming to this country if they are coming to work, contribute and adopt the country. I would also say most people in this country have no problem with genuine Asylum seekers coming here seeking help and shelter. But what people are against is being taken for mugs by both their own government and organisations in this country and also by the chancers coming here and being allowed to game the system. The government and their agencies need to start putting the country first, tightening up the rules and enforcing them, having quicker turn around on asylum applications and getting rid of people who have no right to be here. If this is done then everyone is a winner, the country wins, the people coming here win and the genuine asylum seekers win but at the moment the only people winning a select few government cronies raking it in with money being paid of the accommodation and also the chancers who have got in now and are making it harder for the genuine cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    A quick search on Facebook throws up several groups:

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    Well active groups too. And facebook isn't as popular as it once was by any stretch. Other social media platforms possibly similar and also there would be a cohort of people covered by ARP not on social media.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,056 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2025/12/29/man-claimed-12000-in-pandemic-payments-while-in-state-illegally/

    This article is a good example of the utter chaos and fraud within our immigration system.

    It's a complicated story of illegal entry into the country, false documents, multiple PUP claims, and in the end, a suspended sentence.

    Even the Judge admits that the system is wide open for abuse.

    I will try to summarise it.

    This man from Cameroon used false Italian documents to apply for a PPS number here in 2018.

    He entered the country a second time in Jan 2020, and overstayed.

    In 2020 and 2021, he made 36 false claims for PUP in Oranmore.

    In Jan 2021, a deportation order was made against him. [as should be well known by now, we rarely enforce these orders, we simply expect the person to leave voluntarily].

    In Aug 2021, he left voluntarily, but returned again in May 2022, and applied for a second PPSN, in his real name. This led to a Garda investigation, and he was arrested in 2024. That established that he is in the country illegally. A second deportation order was made.

    Guess what is the outcome of all of this? A suspended sentence!!!

    Post edited by Geuze on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,056 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Yes.

    Nobody in the media seems to ever ask the question: Why did so many UKR people come to Ireland, compared to other countries?"

    Why have 118,000 come here, compared to just 54,000 adult UKR people going to France?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,036 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I had looked through this thread to see if someone had posted this story, but missed your post. This guy must be laughing to himself, soft touches everywhere, defrauds the State, commits numerous crimes and all he gets is a minor slap on the wrist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    I went back to college to do a post grad and it's meant to have a special education focus but every second lecture ends up being about EAL and trying to incorporate EAL learners.

    What is coming out now is that 60-70% of preschoolers are EAL learners.

    I thought that was a mad statistic but then I applied that statistic to my own school and we had 17 Junior Infs start this year. 10 of them are EAL and when I mean EAL, they are new arrivals in last 2 years and can't answer what is your name and respond...My name is Mary.

    Then we have local people who can't afford to live or rent in this town anymore.

    I would love to go into the Dail some day and give these fooker TDs a good old skool style bollocking about just what the fook are they doing to my beloved county and country.

    I feel like a stranger in my own homeland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,267 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Exactly but most politicians are not directly impacted by the crazy rules. The locals who are hugely affected have been silenced for years - castigated by the ‘right-thinking’ voices who guilt-trip and brainwash people into believing that our five million citizens are obliged to help people from all over the world who turn up here. For years after the crash locals endured severe austerity and now when the exchequer is healthy, it’s insulting that the fruits of those sacrifices are benefitting scammers and con-artists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Governments of the last ~25 years have been nothing short of treasonous. They facilitated the sale of Telecom Eireann via a ponzi scheme where many Irish people lost money, facilitated the closure and/or sale of our small indigenous industrial base (Irish sugar, Bord na Mona, etc…), facilitated and encouraged vulture funds to buy up property in prime locations in our cities. Basically, anything that could benefit anyone but the Irish people has been cheered on. They have the neck then to say that we must do more. Watch now as the whole climate net zero charade gets into full swing, another whip to beat us with. Same old, same old - there is something severely lacking in the mindset of the Irish political and ruling class and that is to extract as much coin from the Irish taxpayer to benefit everyone else, and if that everyone else is from non-western nations then it's all the better for their virtuous egos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,461 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Not forgetting what they have allowed to happen to our fishing industry. Our politicians love the big fat pay and pensions they are on but don't want to be responsible or accountable and are only to happy to outsource all decision making to the EU, so that they can wave their hands in the air and shrug their shoulders and say there is nothing we can do.

    We have seen it with at the start of this migration fiasco, where they kept repeating the same old saying "international obligations" so they pretended their hands were tied and their cheer leaders in the media and on here throwing this out as well to try kill any debate on it and when that failed then we got the labeling of anyone questioning this as Far-right or racist. Then we see countries with proper governments who put their citizens first like Denmark introducing strict rules on migration in their countries and when asked about it here we got the shrug of the shoulders and to further remove them from the decision making that incompetent Minister/TD Helen McEntee signs us to some Euro bodge of an immigration act so they can now point to that as an excuse to do nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


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    Mind you don’t miss this, everyone.

    To be clear, I think it’s lovely that the ‘new Irish’ would be included in the story of Ireland. But to use that as the promotional image seems almost intentionally provocative. It sends the message that Ireland’s evolution culminates with multiculturalism.

    I’ve scanned through it on the Player, and of about ten performances, four of them are by solo black performers. There doesn’t appear to be any Polish representation, though I may be wrong.

    There’s a Twitter account in the UK called Yookay Aesthetics, which catalogues images of the dysfunctional side of multicultural Britain, in contrast with the warm and fluffy images of official advertising. Examples that I recall include an uncovered beef carcass being carried from the back of a van to a kebab shop, a white policeman speaking Arabic in a recruitment video, a sped-up video of walking down a crowded street with no white faces in sight, etc. I suspect the person behind the account is a racist, but it’s a striking compilation that should concern regardless.

    I’ve been subconsciously cataloguing Irish examples. There’s the CSPE textbook which negatively contrasts a traditional Irish family with a multicultural one. There’s the ad for St Patrick’s Day which centres a black family. There’s the Islamic reading at the President’s inauguration. There’s ’winter lights’. There’s the arm-swinging, hip-hop interpretation of Irish dancing. There’s Ebun Joseph. And there’s the above representation of Irish culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Everlong1




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Although the political situation is deeply unhealthy in this country with practically no real opposition to speak of and a captured cowardly media afraid of their own shadow lest they be banished for wrongspeak like Meyers,waters ,Hobbs and the rest and a national broadcaster which has morphed into the pr wing of the government with a bit of fake sparring thrown in to satisfy the masses exchanging little presents when the cameras are off , I would prefer the movement to grow organically internally and am wary of outside interference by non citizens ,they allways want their pound of flesh in the end ,unfortunately I see no brave pragmatist on the horizon with the charisma and character to steer us from the cliff but sure maybe he/she is there.….waiting for the time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    The Irish Times are really pulling out all the stops now that the tide has turned.

    My favourite quote:

    "One Sunday evening, the village hall was filled with the rich smell of Jordanian food. On stage, the new arrivals danced and sang for delighted locals."

    Reads like something Enid Blyton would have written (anyone for ginger beer?!). It also mentions that 'a couple' of men helped the tidy towns initiative. Wowsers.

    I'm afraid the Times' "journalists" need to come up with better to convince the populace that filling the only hotel/guesthouse in a town/village with IPAs/AS is the way forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,346 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Unfortunately the down time over the Christmas break, has meant I've spent more time on the phone than I do normally, but I've been shocked by the many pro immigration pieces on various media sources. Rather than reporting on the shifting public and government opinion, it seems they've doubled down on their left wing and woke ideologies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,380 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    A lot of the reporting centres on the humanitarian angle, while ignoring the real trade-offs, like housing, employment, and public services,etc..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    They also have an ethnic right to return. Irish DNA means something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,180 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I really feel for Ukrainians and I think giving them temporary refuge and then sending them back in decent condition to rebuild their country when the war ends is a good investment for the West, in 'winning the peace'. Russia and Ukraine will have their population pyramids decimated by the war and if Ukraine comes out on top in the post war phase they may succeed in the future.

    However I see no reason for any refugee to have their lives made easy. To effectively remove their refugee status with preferential treatment/subsidies. As far as I'm concerned they should be in a munitions factory making shells for the war, funded by the Ukrainian military budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Bogus language schools have resurfaced again with a new TrustED compliance required for Colleges. to continue . This escalation of fake courses has presumably remained unchecked for sometime as the government has taken steps to combat it .

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2151675/ireland-stop-backdoor-immigration-student-visas?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQPMjc1MjU0NjkyNTk4Mjc5AAEerwaLejAKvMbGKNxq5v3ZeWHHIQ4XMcXAUBeai4kMYt98x828kno_GsYm00o_aem_BPJRfvVNpLnbKdzmLkuknQ#Echobox=1767095154

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    Looking at CSO figures about a 1/4 of Ukrainians are of fighting age are living here .Based on the number in the EU at over 1 million also the numbers in Ukraine that get dragged off the streets to fight .Some like to claim Ukraine is mighty and all want to fight , not so .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    https://archive.is/CsIsI

    17.5m profit for Tetrarch in 2022. The company subsequently sold citywest hotel to the State.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    SHarris has landed himself in very hot water from the left. He claims a significant number in homeless accommodation have no right to housing. The Dublin Regional Homeless Executive Oct report said “the main driver of single homelessness is refugees or people with leave to remain leaving direct provision in the preceding eight months”. Also, of 89 families entered homelessness in Dublin in October, just 38 were Irish.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/housing-planning/2025/12/31/simon-harris-claims-significant-number-in-emergency-accommodation-dont-have-housing-right/

    Left parties blame government and landlords but stubbornly refuse to admit that unlimited immigration critically affects housing. Even the Local Government Management Agency briefing advised ministers that in June25, non-EEA people were 27% of homeless and people from abroad were impacting homeless numbers.

    However, EO’B (SF) said ‘conflating the issues of homelessness and immigration is not only dishonest - it is dangerous.' SHarris also said he was ‘shut down’ in November when he said immigration numbers are too high. CSheehan (Lab) said he should withdraw that and know better- the Tánaiste making misleading statements in relation to immigration is unhelpful and dangerous. RHearne (SocD) said Harris was trying to deflect from government housing failures but the cause of increased homelessness was evictions by private landlords.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/12/31/sinn-fein-and-labour-criticise-tanaiste-over-comments-linking-homelessness-to-immigration/

    It’s the job of opposition to whinge but I sometimes wonder if any politician in this country understand simple arithmetic. It’s not rocket science - when the bucket is overflowing, just turn off the tap.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit


    ^^ Unfortunately many Irish polititians could not work their way out of a paper bag in this regard Mrs L.



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