Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Minnesota it's 90% we seem to have been spared that problem .

This man has spent the past 3 or 4 years gaslighting the entire country regards immigration numbers, asking interviewers where's their humanity?!

Then you get this interview, years and years too late. The damage done in the intervening time has been huge and is irreversible. The population numbers have exploded in recent years and it was obvious we we were in big trouble regarding every essential services available to the population already here - housing, health, transport etc all at breaking point for years.

This was always a simple numbers game. It's been clear for a long long time that we could not sustain the population we had already regards essential services, yet government policy (or more aptly a complete lack of any government policy) has allowed the population to explode in a really short timeframe. Now you have Martin coming out with interviews like this long after the horse has bolted. It is disgusting behaviour out of Martin and our government over recent years. They always knew the truth about the damage being done by this huge population increase, and they have allowed it to happen and even positively encouraged it in some instances.

The 2016 census had our population at 4.76 million. We have an estimated 5.46 million here now. That is an incredibly big population increase for a country our size in a relatively short period of time. These are the numbers that should have spoken about again and again and again over the past few years, but the waters just kept getting muddied to shut down proper discussion (where's your humanity?!).

It's absolutely galling to hear so many still hold the belief that we can just adequately home any amount of people in Ireland. No population increase is too big for them. The article only touches on the homeless figures which are rising rapidly - Martin finally acknowledges this is being caused in a big part by the numbers leaving asylum and direct provision with nowhere to go, so they go on the housing lists. That notion was being shouted down as racist and far right up to now when it was very obvious this is exactly what has been happening for years. Our politicians should be absolutely ashamed of their behaviour in this regard, the lack of honesty around such important issues is disgusting.

The fact that this article came out a couple of days before Christmas is more politicking. Martin is now publicly on record about what is causing these huge homeless figures, but there's no blowback from the likes of Labour/Soc Dems as they're off for their Christmas snooze (we'll have to start a whole new long conversation about Labour/Soc Dems insane takes on immigration numbers).

Martin is coward of a politician. Every single utterance he made in the past few years insinuating anyone questioning the explosion in population numbers was racist or far right should be thrown at him over and over. All of these utterances were outright lies at the time and Martin well knew it. Now we have Fianna Fail and Fine Gael changing course years too late after the damage is done. These political liars and cowards should never be allowed to forget all of these lies that have lead to a completely unsustainable future for a huge portion of the population.

What you’re saying is exactly right but if you think it was only MM that was responsible for the population explosion problem and the resulting system failures, think again. 99%of our politicians (excluding C.Nolan, M.McGrath and recently JO’C) are constantly pontificating about our international obligations, the Irish went everywhere, EU rules, we’re a wealthy country, full employment, diversity is enrichment, our health service would collapse, we need more immigrants etc. It’s tedious and worn thin at this stage.

They hand out Irish passports like snuff at a wake instead of residence permits like other sensible countries. They fund and support every bad-actor with a sob story at a cost of billions because they are very magnanimous and flaithiúlach with the Irish peoples’ money. They spend billions on citizens of other countries from every part of the globe instead of getting our own house in order. They think it’s a great policy to add thousands of extra people every month into an already overflowing system but can’t provide enough housing or proper services for our own and then they stand idly by and witness the exodus of thousands of our own young people who feel they have no future in the country of their ancestors. It is an absolute scandalous situation and all the brain dead TDs should be thoroughly ashamed of their part in the fiasco.

Also, if our national broadcaster or any MSM outfit had any backbone they should have been exposing the myriad of scams years ago - the sham work and study visas, non-EU immigrants overstaying visas, sham marriages, no implementation of EU regulations on free movement, and the endless asylum scams that everyone now knows exist although we were told it was imaginary and no IPA destroyed documents before arriving 🙄.

MSM job is to hold politicians to account but they failed miserably and joined in the pile-on with the many TDs, NGOs and other do-gooders who champion unlimited immigration that can cost taxpayers billions. In tandem with politicians, MSM did a fantastic job at shutting down anyone who questioned the crazy system by perpetuating the story that people were racist, facist, nazi, right-wing, hate filled or nationalist (nothing shameful in loving or protecting your country and culture). MSM need to step up and start playing their part in exposing politicians and NGOs who are publicly funded but only interested in self-promotion and their own pet projects. We badly need a MSM organisation that doesn’t toe the party line to manipulate and bamboozle people into doubting and disbelieving the evidence of their own eyes.

MM and some other TDs are changing tack recently only because the mood music coming from the EU is evolving. Too many of our politicians do not act in the best interests of the citizens who elected them, they continue to raid the public purse for the benefit of other nations and have failed utterly to make the Irish people their priority. Any politician who places a greater importance on other countries problems instead of sorting out our own issues doesn’t deserve a place in the Oireachtas.

Also, question to ask you all who are crying and up in arms over the population increase.

Which do we stop first - work permits or student visas?

EDIT: Oh, or Irish people returning home.

Mod Edit: Warned for breaching threadban

I'm a firm believer in the old saying "when in Rome, do as the Romans do".

If someone is coming here, they should do so in a spirit of gratitude for being allowed in.

If they are coming here to complain about Ireland, I don't think we should grant them work permits. We were never a colonial power.

I beleive there are a small cohort of people with a self loathing for the Irish nation, who see the structure of Irish society with all its traditions and values and want to deconstruct it in the name of progressisvism, who only see the world through the lens of oppression and beleive that they are truly virtuous and that virtue must be extolled at all times. On immigration they beleive we should not apply rules and anyone who breaks the rules must be fleeing war or conflict, so we have a moral obligation to house them. It never crosses their mind that there might be bad faith actors (economic migrants) scamming the system because their narccisitic mindset won't allow that nuance to exist, weak politicians create weak policies, Elon Musk describes the "woke mind virus" it was never more apt than it has been when it comes to discussing immigration in ireland. Its all the more appaling because there are plenty of examples of social cohesion being affected significantly by large demographic change in other European countries Sweden and Germany are 2 good examples. Angela Merkel the instigator of a policy that allowed mass immigration to Germany is on record as far back as 2010 saying "multiculturalism has failed utterly failed" and that integration was a huge problem for recent migrants. We are a generous people but the cost to the taxpayer to fund a system that creates multi millionares out of a landlord class to house 80% economic migrants is one of the biggest scandals in recent political history. That no investigation into the real cost of this to the tax payer has ever been done is testament to the grip the Governement and NGO class have on the media here or perhaps its the influence of progressivism on the media class.

Imagine editing a post and questioning whether "irish people" should be allowed to return to Ireland to live and comparing those Irish people to all the other immigrants coming into the country, how very noble and virtuous.

Very well described, and in particular:

That no investigation into the real cost of this to the tax payer has ever been done is testament to the grip the Governement and NGO class have on the media here or perhaps its the influence of progressivism on the media class.

Up there along with creating millionaires from housing economic migrants is probably the biggest scandal itself. The media here appear to be captured and/or controlled - and perhaps this merits another discussion thread entirely. However when discussing migration, the media are clearly biased and leave no doubt whatsoever as to their position on the issue. They, in my opinion, cross the line from just being biased to being activists on this issue - a stance they hold on many social issues overall.

This raises some questions - what is going on with the NUJ and also the journalism colleges? How come there is such a hive mind on commentary around the immigration issue? Is there a feedback loop where the companies profiting handsomely from immigration are donating and/or taking out advertisements with these media outlets, to they sing the tune to keep the money coming in. Is it a combination of all of the above?

If the media were doing their jobs properly Martin, Harris. MacDonald, Bacik, Kearns and few others who called anyone who spoke out against what was going on with immigration far right or racist in an attempt to shut down discussion should be getting torn to shreds in the media.

It is disgusting what the politicians have been getting away with and the media turning a blind eye to it as they reporters/journalists all eye up a government advisor role. Time they were all held to account.

Good to see the indo still shilling away for the refugee industry. It's a fantastic experience for tourist towns to lose their hotel accommodation apparently!

Tourism down 40% this year is a small price to pay for this enrichment. Hell, even the president will pop over for a photo op n tell the locals how wonderful its gonna be.

Of course this Kinvara for all group just sprung up organically,there's money ie funding involved I'd wager ..couple of the ladies involved here ,same oul craic in every town…white privilege indeed

…and also an organisation that "models" for the "carbon free economy" yet has no problem with people taking planes, trains and automobiles (in their thousands) to come to this windswept rock where we have not got the infrastructure to deal with it..

I was shocked this morning reading a post on Facebook from a young Ukrainian looking for a room under ARP scheme

She is working in a shop and earning a wage and looking for a room with Government subsidy of €600 .
So I thought about it and lets say she works in retail full time , she works alongside side a young Irish girl earning exactly the same . They both have to rent , eat , travel etc yet the Ukrainian girl is €600 better off as that much of her rent is covered .
So we now have a massive inequality in our land and being Ukrainian in this situation is €600 better off than an Irish or EU or UK worker .
I am shocked to know that ARP still exists for Ukrainian working and earning a living

Surely it should be stopped and used only for those in real need or elderly

That will be interesting, hey Keir here's a thousand bogus refugees that came in over the NI border, take them back or we'll make it harder for English people work here. Let the games begin.

In Ireland of today positive discrimination against the Irish is not only acceptable but cheerleaded by the so called progressives. Utter joke