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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    And just as Trump and Zelensky talk…

    ..Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has warned that any European troops on the ground in Ukraine would be a "legitimate target".

    They don't want peace, they want a free ride to Kyiv



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    The Americans are clueless or just obtuse. Unless there are real consequences for Russia they currently have no need for peace. Trump is talking out of his arse if he thinks Russia are looking for peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I think the script has been written already.. 1) Trump tells Zelenskiy what the Russian "peace terms" are 2) Zelenskiy says they're not reasonable 3) Trump blames Zelenskiy for not wanting peace and prolonging the war. 4) Russia murders more civilians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    In polls, most Americans want to continue arming Ukraine. I don't think foreign policy was a major factor in how the election went. I think it was more "God, Guns and Gays", which is how it usually happens in the US, with the side that gets their vote out winning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Putin rings Trump before he talks to Zelensky again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    One can still debate which country is better at war but there’s no debate about which one is better at peace. Apart from Putin’s ally in Belarus, Ukraine’s other neighbours do not fear it. The only threat Ukraine poses is the example of East Slavs living free. This is why debates about who started the war and which side we should support are so unhinged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Reports on Sky Now that Putin and (or so Russia says) Trump oppose Ukraines idea to have a referendum on whether to cede territory.

    Ukrainian military officials say their forces are holding their positions in Myrnohrad, a satellite town of the hotly-contested Pokrovsk, despite Russia claiming its troops have made a breakthrough and are in control of the settlement.Read more ⤵️https://tvpworld.com/90770551/ukraine...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Edit: Czechs to send long range Narwhal missiles to Ukraine. It has a range 680 kilometers, a top speed of roughly 750 kilometers per hour, and a 120 kilogram warhead

    . This is a pleasant surprise, given worries about the new government possibly being pro-Russian. But it seems maybe thats not so as much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,716 ✭✭✭combat14


    putin constantly harps on about zelensky not being properly elected etc. so what he is afraid of letting the ukranian people voting on putin's peace plan

    the irish people got to vote on the UK treaty back in 1922 albeit with the threat of total war hanging over us .. why not let ukraine's citizens decide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,874 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ukrainian Unmanned Systems (SBS) forces recently announced that on December 26 they launched a high-precision night attack on a military barracks used by the Russian Military Intelligence Service (GRU) in the Russian-controlled port city of Berdyansk, located in the Donetsk region.

    According to information provided by the Ukrainian intelligence services, the attack targeted a temporary command center and a barracks of troops of the 14th Special Operations Brigade of the GRU, resulting in at least 120 casualties among them.

    51 occupiers were killed, another 74 were wounded. The number of missing persons is still unknown.

    Having to buy 51 coffins on boxing day, how appropriate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The concept of national sovereignty is under attack. Putin wants to go back to imperial concepts like protectorates and client states. A country that doesn't decide its own foreign policy or even its own language policy is not truly sovereign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Well said. I wouldn't mind seeing a film like this from the Ukrainian point of view. Is 2000 meters to Avdeevka similar?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I think rightfully with America out of the middle East Americans will be more open to this idea. There's bi-partisan support for it you just need a president who'll go for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I think this is why Trump would settle for Russia taking a chunk of Ukraine. It'll make it easier for him to take Greenland. I'm just surprised he isn't willing to give China Taiwan to keep them happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Czechia is weird.

    Their new PM seems firmly in the Hungary/Slovakia camp when it comes to Russia and yet they do this ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,716 ✭✭✭combat14


    if ukraine give donbas to russia without referendum ukraine people could turn around once Zelensky is gone and say they never voted on it even putin said zelensky wasnt legitimate and restart the war

    alternatively if there is a referendum and the terms are voted down the war will continue on indefinitely but putin looks slightly worse as he is attacking ukraine after its citizens voted to keep donbas ..

    if they vote in favour of putin plan surely the war is over then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Giving up fortifications that ISW says would take Russia years to take in battle is utter capitulation and I would urge Zelensky to reject it if it means Russian troops or paramilitaries getting them. It would be the worst sellout since the Vichy Regime. And if Zelensky accepts it, I don't blame him but Trump. Russia cannot be trusted not to harm the civilians in the rest of Donbass, after what we have seen them do in the last 4 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,701 ✭✭✭fly_agaric




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Evidence suggesting otherwise. Denys Davydov on his latest video is claiming Ukraine got their forces out without losses. So Russia took it without a fight. But in reality they've been dropping FABS on it all year.

    Obviously this isn't good but if Ukraine can't afford another war of attrition it's the right call. Can't keep falling back forever though.

    On the Trump meeting I get the feeling Zelenski is just going with the flow while counting down the days of Trump's presidency. If a ceasefire on current lines is agreed I'm sure he'll take it because better to have a pause during the term of a hostile president. I feel like this is why Putin won't agree to it now though. He'll try take the Donbass before he even considers it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    I think you're right. Zelensky keeps portraying himself and Ukraine as the only side in the war that wants peace, Russia keeps rejecting it. It's the right thing to do for optics, even if he knows it won't change things on the battlefield.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    1 word - business

    You have s new cruise missile that youre prettyproud of . you want to export it as much as possible,- your overseas customers want to know how it functions in real life conditions , see the video clips ,- see the actual damage ,,- so you chuck a few Ukraines way - hopefully the germans will buy a gross or 2 for Ukraine -

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    It reminds me of the US HIMARS systems when Ukraine was finally given it. Although it was proven in the likes of Desert Storm, it still provided a lot of new business customers for it. Same can be said for the Patriots and Iris-T. With the latter really only showing it's worth or being battle proven in Ukraine. Other mentions would be the Bayraktar TB2 which was extremely useful early on.

    Why other countries didn't allow their defense companies to use Ukraine as a testing ground is beyond me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    The Brits do as well. They've come up with some cracking inventions so far in this war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The frankensam is all I can recall. It's not something that you would be marketing to sell though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Trump willing to go to Ukraine, to speak to Parliament , as to convince them to less Donbass go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭somenergy


    Well there is a mc Donald's there unless it could be a target b4 he gets there.

    However that last presser was more putin talking than I have heard b4, disturbing.

    Did I do ok comrade, we are very close to US openly supporting Russia the felon is 100% imo



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