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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


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    Price of an acre of poor-quality land on holdings less than 50 acres was €6,967 in Offaly. And Offaly consists of approximately 103,800 acres of peatlands which is 21% of Offaly's total land area. So 500,000 acres total.

    We are facing EU emissions fines of up to €26Bn.

    I have no intention of paying those fines when for example - it would only cost €3-5 Bn to buy almost all of the non-built upon land in Offaly and use it for renewables.

    I have a problem with rural dwellers asking for hand outs and special treatment that increases the cost and delays renewable rollouts because of the entitlement. They aren't asking for the same treatment (including backdating) for urbanites in similar position and unless until that position changes I have no sympathy. By proximity and numbers of people affected pylons / under grounding etc. are urban issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Thankfully due to representative democracy the nation will be saved from extremist eco policies as espoused by Captain Midnight but the likes of Amazon are greedily eyeing the boglands and nearshore wealth of Ireland. Their next Datacentres need 73MW of greenwashed electricity. That is an additional 1.5% added to current demand at this moment according to the eirgrid dashboard.

    At the moment only 34% of electricity is coming from wind.

    https://archive.is/GB5bD

    For captain midnight to reach his nirvana all of Ireland will be covered with a patchwork of wind farms, solar parks and Bess plants because renewables are so inconsistent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Also, low quality land is not easily exploitable due to being inaccessible. If you took the back roads to clonmacnoise you would know heavy machinery would be lost never to be seen again unless you drain the bog and dig down to solid ground. The roads are laid on the bog and can't hold heavy machinery which is why there isn't a flat even secondary or tertiary road in west Offaly.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


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    Re 34% : We are already getting more than half of power most of the time from non-synchronous sources

    In addition we are also getting renewable energy from synchronous sources like hydro , waste to energy , biomass and biogas etc. And there's also CHP before you consider technologies like tidal and geothermal.

    In theory we could double our existing non-synchronous sources and be hitting 100% most of the time.

    However, electrification of transport and things like heatpumps will increase demand while at the same time we can't increase fossil fuel usage , in fact we are facing EU fines of up to €26Bn if we don't reduce the usage.

    What do you suggest we do ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    I don't care what you do as long as you keep your hands off rural Ireland and the nation's seas just to hand it off to multinationals who don't give a damn about Ireland. If that means they are unable to build Datacentres in Ireland so be it. Their problem, not ours and if contracts for our scarce wind resource have to be voided to reclaim what should never have been gifted to them then so be it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    National security.

    We have no major stockpile of fossil fuel or nuclear fuel and very vulnerable by relying so much on our current gas supply pipe. Some sort of domestic resilience would be great even if it is intermittent.

    Ironically it was a self sufficient "juche" principle that brought about Bord na Mona.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    And there it is , the entitlement.

    Despite your dog in the manger attitude the EU fines are everyone's problem.

    You still haven't grasped the size of the problem. It would be cheaper to buy all the land in entire counties than pay those fines. Let that sink in for a moment.

    There's 3.4m people paying PAYE in this country. If you exclude the 0.4m civil servants whose wages are paid for for taxation it's 3m.

    €26Bn divided by 3m means that rural Ireland won't get any sympathy.

    Yes it would be cheaper to pay for Northern Ireland, but since we are in a Single Energy Market and they already have a higher % of renewables we are already contributing relatively more.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    https://blog.windenergyireland.com/where-in-ireland-can-port-infrastructure-be-developed-to-support-the-delivery-of-floating-offshore-wind

    Floating wind requires ports with deep water, large quays with sufficient land availability and sheltered areas for wet storage.

    One Answer is - Bantry Bay and the Shannon Estuary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Clearly you know FA about wind farm construction and maintainance on peatlands or their hydrology. I suggest you consult many of the planning documents connected with the operation of BNM Windarms in North Mayo, Offaly and elsewhere. The Derryad Wilderness Park FB page detailing BNM works adjacent to the Shannon River which hosts videos and drone footage of the extent of this pumping in preparation for windfarm construction. Other countries are restoring these peatlands cos they are sensible enough to know that they are some of the best natural climate buffers in terms of soaking up excess rainfall or protection against droughts. Your type can't be bothered to educate yourself on such matters as it would highlight your gross hypocracy when it comes to lecturing the rest of for not rolling over for wind developers and their Greenwash marketing .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Pity all those useless windfarms will do FA for those fines as this government goes all in on Data centres and blowing vast amounts of bill payesrs money to hook them up to the grid. Shure they will Greenwash each one with some windfarm nameplate power capacity, but all will heavily depend on fossil most of the time as can been seen in their planning documents



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Ah spare that BS in light of the this governments determination to massively expand our gas storage capacity in the Shannon Estuary etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    You eco loonies can tilt at windmills all you like but leave us Country folk out of your collective insanities. You wish to rape our resources like colonial powers raped their colonies and don't care who is trampled underfoot along the way. The only ones getting wealthy out of your zealotry are multinationals and renewable energy oligarchs who want to turn Ireland in to a wind power banana Republic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    This is unhinged lunatic conspiracy theory nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Would that it were but unfortunately a huge industry has sprung out of greenwashing and the Tech Bros are so desperate for compute power they are influencing national policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    I have zero time for datacentres, I'd get rid of most of them if I had dictator level power! Throwing out phrases like tech bros and greenwashing just makes you look stupid.

    Don't you work in a datacentre?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    The brain rot in this thread is hard to ignore. The pandemic really did a number on some people, and it’s on full display here.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    How many times do you need to be told that we have until 2050 top get to down to zero carbon ?

    “When Ireland has progressed its transition to renewable energy sources and no longer faces a risk of disruption to gas supplies, the FSRU vessel can depart,

    Besides LNG storage is about security of supply not burning more gas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    LNG shouldn't be about burning more gas. Though as well as security of supply it should be about getting gas at the best possible price while we still need it. If it has to be priced higher to encourage renewables then it's better that the state benefits from it through higher fossil fuel taxes.

    Ambrose Evans Pritchard is predicting a cyclical economic recovery in Europe on the back of cheap LNG.

    The marvellous prospect of cheap energy again

    Europe and Britain are going to make a cyclical recovery, while Trump’s America is going to lose

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/19/the-marvellous-prospect-of-cheap-energy-again/

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Us poor simple country folk want none of modern Ireland, except for a decent road to croke park in the summer , and a way for people to leave

    As usual in life things arent exactly black and white , there are places wind turbines ,will work well , and places where they probably shouldn't be ,

    Would I put a turbine on selling Michael - no , would I put one next to selling Michael - no because of the gannets , would I put one in gouganne Barra no , in sight of it ,? No prob

    There are probably better ways to put wind turbines on bogs , draining bog to build foundations for wind turbines prob ain't great , I'm sure that there could be better ways , but all bogs aren't the same type ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Ye all think that there are inexhaustible supply of sies on Land and offshore. The exploitable ones are being scooped up and Joe public will be left with the scrapings of the barrel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭dmakc


    I'd suggest you go outside and enjoy the christmas before you wreck yourself and everyone else's head with these magical fines. The EU will not be fining itself in 2030, the economy has been shown to supersede the climate zealots time and time again. Even Ireland has backed data centres to the hilt with CRU recently enabling another 6 GW in the curiously undefined "short / medium term". Throw in a laughable 6-year derogation in which to seek renewables for said DCs.

    The whole thing is nothing short of a looney merry-go-round, and they're depending on the likes of you to peddle it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Do you happen to known why "pass" is in the names of villages like Tyrrellspass or Miltownpass… they are surrounded by raised bog which would swallow man and beast whole and there were only a handful of routes through which you could pass from the Pale to King's and Queen's county.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭gjim


    lol - your (and the NIMBYs’) claim was specifically about water being pumped during operations - a absolutely daft claim which I corrected. Thinking you can slip in the the word construction to replace operations and then abuse me for pointing out the obvious Is a clear a demonstration of your fundamental lack of honesty and integrity. It’s always the angry ones who have to lie and twist everything. Have you no sense of integrity?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Probably, but why does Joe public need large wind turbines sites ..

    But Joe public does use electricity, if they don't want wind - they get gas .. or petrol and diesel..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I'm going to bow to your local knowledge, I know f'all about the midlands and less about bogs ,

    But - I doubt if it's beyond the abilities of good engineers to move large but relatively lightweight objects through westmeath ..

    May not be cheap - may not be quick - and I'll be honest - I don't know the expected output of a windfarm in the Midlands, or the costs involved in setting it up , it may not be cost effective,

    It may still be a better idea to just stick them in the Celtic sea , or the arklow bank ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Your a clown - of course water needs to be pumped off these bogs continuely to keep them dry enough to sustain extensive wind farm service roads etc., and the turbine bases themselves. It totally destroys the natural hydrology of such sites and impacts nearby water bodies and farmland. Many of the peatland sites along the Shannon that BNM want to build windfarms on are actually below the level of the river and currently hold extensive lakes and various other wetlands. Go visit any such windfarm and you will see the major drainage network that has to be maintained

    https://www.thejournal.ie/wasted-wetland-peatland-drainage-6345093-Apr2024/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭gjim


    BnM have been pumping water out of bogs since the 1950s - https://www.bordnamonalivinghistory.ie/article-detail/civil-works-in-bord-na-mona/

    It has nothing to do with wind turbines. Now if you want to claim that Bord na Mona have been and continue to be poor guardians of Irish bogs - then I’ll happily agree.

    But if you’re going claim that they’ve been doing this for decades as part of a long conspiracy to prepare for wind turbines then the “nuts” part of your name is clearly apt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Our local mayor is intent on holding a plebiscite to build a wind park in an area of outstanding natural beauty overlooking our city. There is no meaningful wind resource here but it will be great for the "feels". Since this is a Green dominant city of urban intellectuals he might just swing it and I will have to look out across the valley at a ruined landscape of stationary wind turbines producing S.F.A.

    The air is still today and there is barely a breeze most days but so long as he can divert money to this folly he will be happy and feed his self-righteous sense of self for a while longer. These eco-loonies are not just prevalent in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Whatever about Birdnuts prioritisation of birds over the future health of the planet, I don't think a view should ever have priority over infrastructure needs to combat a genuine environmental concern.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭tppytoppy


    There is no meaningful wind resource to exploit. It is performative bunk from green devotees.

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