Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

id imagine that's just to placate trump knowing russia wont ever agree to peace….Any analysis i've read says Ukraine cannot under any circumstance give up the donbass because that is extremely well fortified while the land behind it isn't

Lots of future excuses for Russia to claim a treaty breach

There's a documentary published on youtube called "Russians at War" where an investigative journalist unofficially joins a regular Russian unit that is sent to frontlines in Ukraine. It all takes place during 2023, with the final part focusing on the units participation in storming operations near Bakhmut.

It focuses more on the bleak reality of the war, without any glorification or attempt of justification.

I found it worth a watch to get the perspective of how some of these regular Russian units were actually replenished, trained (or lack thereof) who joined them etc after suffering the catastrophic losses at the start of the invasion.

It can be heavy watch in some parts, so maybe leave it until after Xmas if you wanna stay in festive spirits!

strange contrast reading this news with the reports that Ukraine are going to effectively hand over the fortress belt to russia.

Absolutely heart wrenching video.

They're not. Nowhere in the updated (EU-Ukrainian) peace plan as revealed by Zelenskyy is there any provision for such a move.

Sounds like some people (as is so often the case) are knee-jerking to snippets of information and alarmist headlines without actually reading the source material.

While a Russia mother who loses a son is over the moon with a Toaster .

Sea flamingos, launched off an old freighter in the Pacific, targeting as many pumping stations along the line as possible..

But the Chinese wouldn't be at all happy , it would seriously affect their fuel security in one big hit .. whereas a little tanker here and small port in Western Russia there , that's a different story ..

Smithereens.

Last I heard, China was an Orc enabler and ally. I doubt Ukraine is concerned about hitting China where it hurts. They make their own drone parts now, particularly the motors, with possibly the only major China buy being batteries, which Samsung and Panasonic also make.

A little tanker here and a small port there, is not going to deprive the Orcs of 15% of their foreign income in one hit.

There are still a large number of Ukrainians of fighting age who came to Ireland and the EU .Based on CSO figures 21949 those aged 22 to 60 years thats a quarter of the total here . Apply that to the EU 4.3 million the numbers would be over 1 million .

Looking at posts here if Ukraine is so mighty why has it not pushed Russian forces back .The BBC link claimed Russia has gained 4700 sq Kms in 2025.

Perhaps those with such a hatred and passionate interest to see Russia defeated might take their place .

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0l0k4389g2o

Disturbing that the US is still pushing for Ukraine to withdraw from the fortress belt. That's the barrier to further Russian aggression in Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhia. Trump is trying to improve relations with Russia and will throw allies under the bus to accomplish that, just as Stanley Baldwin and Neville Chamberlain did with Hitler.

It's reported in the Daily Telegraph that Zelensky has agreed to a demilitarized zone in Donetsk. But will Putin agree to a demilitarized zone in areas it controls?

I recall what happened to the demilitarized zone created by the Minsk agreements. Russia kicked out the OSCE.

Russian officials are clear that they will insist on having armed men in the fortress belt. We all know what they do to civilians in Ukraine.

Meanwhile, Howard Buffett, son of billionaire Warren Buffett, has visited Kupiansk with a Ukrainian official.

FFS …

It's reported in the Daily Telegraph that Zelensky has agreed to …

Zelenskyy has not agreed to anything, no matter how many times lazy journalists and gullible idiots repost the same shite.

Go find the EU's working document on the current negotiations, the one that's being used to guide and support Zelenskyy in his dealings with the two sides of the Kremlin coin, Putin and Trump. In it - towards the end - you'll see one key phrase that we've all experienced before when the EU apply their art to deal-making: Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

And right now, nothing is agreed. So feck off with the wailing and gnashing of teeth over something that hasn't happened.

Rgossip30, I think Russia has fully earned any hatred it gets from Ukraine after its four years of butchery against it's population.

and theres always more chinese too russia is gradually going to lose its east little by little stealth by stealth they will gradually give away their east to china without a war all because of their stupidity in ukraine