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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,073 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Edit: Trump admin bans 5 European supporters of tech-regulation from the US including ex EU Commissioner Thierry Breton. X posted all their names, which shows us the coordination going on between X and the WH in my opinion.

    Tuesday’s move is part of a Trump administration campaign against foreign influence over online speech, using immigration law rather than platform regulations or sanctions. Under the Immigration and Nationality Act, those targeted will generally be barred from entering the US, and some may face removal proceedings if already in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,536 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Analysis on Slate of the farce that is the new battleship plan.

    (https://archive.ph/uIR2i)

    I particularly liked this part:

    'Back in his first term, Trump asked the top Navy admirals to come to the White House to talk about ships. A friend of one of those officers, now also a retired admiral, recalls being told that Trump put up pictures of various U.S. ships, criticizing them all as ugly. Then he put up a picture of, the Moskva, the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet.“Now there’s a good-looking ship!” Trump exclaimed.

    '

    Yeah, big success the Moskva.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,084 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    So they ban people with a viewpoint they dislike because those people are apparently censoring them. No irony here...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Field east


    My brain is a ‘bit fogged’ at the moment so forgive me for the following suggestions going through it

    (a) now that Trump has appointed a special envoy to Greenland - apparently it does not need approval from Danish gov- Should Denmark now appoint a special envoy to , say, Ohio, now or some other more suitable state or one of those American owned islands that do not have a congress or house rep?

    (b) on the basis of those 5 named EU Based individuals accused of spreading misinformation/ controlling what can be said on those web platforms, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, is it then ONLY A MATTER OF TIME when the total staff of the Ru and Chinese embassies will be given their walking papers to leave the US and the embassies closed down for starters?
    ©



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    As an aside, im actively trying to decouple myself from everything associated with these tech tossers who have/are cosying up to trump. Fb, insta, twatter already gone, need to find a whatsapp alternative next and have effectively stopped using amazon too.

    The EU, for all its other faults, is bang on the money here, need to resist these w*nkers at all costs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Lol at Para (a), a special envoy to those U.S islanders in the Caribbean who are not allowed vote in the Presidential Elections…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    One of the benefits for the Digital Services Act is recourse when the likes of Twitter ban or shadow ban people. They have to give a valid reason and provide an appeals process (with an actual human checking it)

    Once they make their decision they can become liable for any damages the user/customer faced. It's a pretty powerful act to protect the public/users and customers of digital platforms.

    So in that regard it certainly helps promote free speech, so no wonder why the Trump administration dislikes it. It makes it harder to censor opinions that go against them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,658 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.bluewin.ch/en/news/international/usa-sanctions-leadership-of-german-organization-hateaid-3023293.html

    They've sanctioned a German anti hate speech group now. There's pretty much no era of us history where this would be normal behavior...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,604 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If they had really wanted to save taxpayers money there was no need for Musk and his DOGE.

    Blocking the big orange baby`s access to science fiction movies and taking away his crayons would have achieved more without all the hassle and increasing the unemployed numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    There's no bigger, better protector of the right to free speech than the Trump Govt, especially the list Trump heads.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    Musk has been actively promoting the idea of a UK civil war on X and yet the UK government continues to use X.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,759 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Why anyone with a brain cell would use X/Twitter is totally beyond me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,098 ✭✭✭growleaves


    In the event of a world/regional war, the US will snatch Greenland before it can become a Russian base. This will be true even if the US President at the time is someone that Irish people consider "nice", or their friend, i.e. a Democrat.

    Trump/Vance is just getting the Danes used to the idea now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,073 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    We're returning to the Rule of the Strong in my opinion. In the 1800s, the US was just as expansionist as the European colonial powers. Europeans unlike the US gave up the conquered territory including Ireland. I would be worried if I was Iceland too. It's very strategic as well, and the last administration to offer to buy Greenland also wanted to buy Iceland which was part if Denmark when WW2 started.

    Europe disarmed in the 1990s until 2014 and we have to accept to some extent, we have emboldened those who didn't by doing so. If you have dont have weapons, your independence depends on the chivalry of great powers. If its absent, it can be snuffed out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,536 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,098 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Britain invaded Iceland which was a neutral country in 1940 to protect Atlantic shipping lanes.

    US forces then occupied Iceland in 1941.

    So they've illegally occupied Iceland once already, less than a hundred years ago.

    It has nothing to do with 1800's style colonialism. Look at a map and see where Greenland stands in relation to Russia. It won't matter if the President is Trump, a Dem or a different Repub. They will try to take it before the Russian Navy does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,073 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    They didnt annex Iceland though. By then, the Wilsonian concept of self determination had entered the US political mainstream. Trump is really a creature of the 19th century in trying to impose border changes by force.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,098 ✭✭✭growleaves




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,073 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The Greenlanders are not cattle to be sold at a Trump auction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,902 ✭✭✭threeball


    Yes its fully believable. I said as much a week ago. I would be amazed if they didn't fcuk up the redactions given how incompetent and stupid these people are. You're talking about bottom feeders.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    No, you're not going to make this fascist willy waving from the Trump admin. and his techbros or whoever is pushing this coveting of Greenland sound reasonable.

    There's no "World war" on at the moment, and if one should erupt for most of my life I would have believed Denmark (and the wider EU) and the US would all be on same side.

    The US military would be given free reign to operate in and around Greenland if necessary.

    They already have a base there.

    Finally if there's regional war in the Americas in the near future, the most probable aggressor is the USA under its current leadership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,225 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Typical fascists. Accuse others of being what you are yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Greenland should tell the yanks that if they are to (politically) join north america, they'll go with Canada instead. Then maybe Mexico, guatemala, barbados, haiti.....leave the US at the bottom of the list



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,711 ✭✭✭yagan


    Russia can't even hold their initial invasion gains in Ukraine and you think they're eying Greenland?

    Trump just wants to have an imperial legacy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Don't they have more in common with Canada as they both have indigenous populations facing the same problems with Climate Change?

    US would buttfucķ them without a second thought.(not that they may have the liberty to choose when the Land of the Avaricious comes calling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    The American president.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭midlander12


    It's more likely that Trump would offer Putin a naval base there as a birthday present.

    Britain and the US occupied Iceland because it was a Danish dependency and Denmark was under Nazi occupation. It was granted independence before the war ended and joined NATO of its own volition when it was founded. There is zero comparison with what Trump threatening to do to Greenland, also a dependency of Denmark which since 1945 has been one its closest allies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,142 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Us,, with agent krasnov in charge are more likely to to use it to attack the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,268 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    There ia 943 pages in that. Fecking hell. Any one who reads it just print whatever is said about or involves Trump please.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Some very strange choices of where or what to redact. I wonder if Congress has the power to go back to the DOJ and request details as to the reason why some redactions in certain documents occured.

    I was under the belief the DOJ had to explain the reason for each reaction. In that file, I can't see why there's some redactions on what could have been a sex act.

    Hopefully there's people both in Congress and representing the victims that can filter through all the documents to find the ones most damaging to question. Some of these are victim statements so the victims know what was redacted and can push to get them redacted or a reason as to why they were redacted.



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