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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    It does put Democrat politicians between a rock and a hard place. Of course they want the big donations from AIPAC and other Israel lobby groups but by law they have to declare all donations and that could end up losing them votes, especially from younger people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Egypt, UAE, US, Germany, etc. all violating international law by supporting ethnic cleansing and genocide. An extension may be needed to The Hague.

    UN Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese has denounced a $35 billion natural gas deal between Egypt and the Israeli occupation, describing it as a violation of international law. The agreement, approved by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in December 2025, comes as "Israel" continues its genocidal campaign on Gaza, where over 70,000 Palestinians have been killed and more than 170,000 wounded since October 2023.

    Albanese, in a statement posted on X, stressed that the deal sends a clear message of support to a regime under investigation for genocide by the International Court of Justice (ICJ). "States must stop placing profits above humanity," she urged, highlighting the moral and legal implications of such economic cooperation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Nope - still nothing to see here…


    "Israel's security cabinet has approved the recognition of 19 new settlements in the occupied West Bank as the government continues its settlement expansion push."




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The more they discuss the Israel First policy, the weaker it becomes :) Did they ever identify who murdered Charlie Kirk … there were rumours of a foreign state involvement

    A major conservative convention in the US has descended into chaos as key figures within the Make America Great Again (Maga) movement criticise "Israel First" policies.

    The right-wing organisation Turning Point USA is holding America Fest this week, in its first large gathering since the killing of its founder, Charlie Kirk, earlier this year.

    The convention, which began on Thursday and is ongoing, comes as tensions grow between prominent right-wing commentators and influencers over the question of American support for Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    This checks out. Convicted terrorist and racist - also incompetent.

    And he's the reason Israel reneged on the first Gaza ceasefire, started their starvation tactics and commenced building concentration camps.


    Haaretz

    "Among Ben-Gvir's opponents, there is a widespread belief that the meteoric rise in the number of murders does not dampen his spirits.

    In their opinion, his intention, as a Kahanist and far-right activist, is that murders in Arab society continue.

    Without going into the intricacies, conversations with senior law enforcement officials working around him indicate that this is inaccurate.

    The answer is simpler: Ben-Gvir is failing miserably in his job.

    He is not happy about the spiking murder rate in Arab towns; he's just too incompetent to address the issue"

    Josh Breiner



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    This has been on-going since 1967 yet still there's this notion in some parts that Israel isn't the aggressor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,312 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The Israeli prison service is doing a feasibilty study into Ben Gvir's idea of establishing a prison to house Palestinians which will be surrounded by imported Crocodiles to prevent them from escaping.

    I thought it was a wind up at first but appears to be legit.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Didn't Trump suggest that somewhere in the US a while back?

    I think Ben-Gvir should be called to The Hague to answer for his crimes. As a recidivist, he should be familiar with the process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Alligator Alcatraz In Florida. I think it was an old military base that they repurposed into a detention centre. There were gators in the area so they played it up that it was infested in order to put people off escaping.

    The problem with doing it in Israel is Gvir would probably have prisoners thrown to the gators for his own entertainment and say they were trying to escape.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Or after the prisoners have provided "entertainment" for the IDF and their depraved proclivities? Couldn't possibly have any dirty little secrets getting out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭freebritney


    No, completely different. The people of Gaza did not know what was going to happen on Oct 7th, how could they, the most famed intelligence state on the planet wasn't aware of what Hamas was planning so they are not collectively guilty of the attack. The entire population of Israel is aware of what the IDF did, are doing, in Gaza and bar a small few said nothing about it or worse yet, support it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,370 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    UK Government is gambling that hunger strikes will be called off rather than result in deaths. The UK does not administer justice, it relies om illegal force against protesters. The six protesters are being held in five different prisons.

    Two Palestine Action-affiliated remand prisoners on hunger strike have been taken to hospital, according to a family member and a friend, adding to fears that the young Britons refusing food in protest could die at any moment.

    Twenty-eight-year-old Kamran Ahmed, who is being held at Pentonville prison in London, was hospitalised on Saturday, his sister, Shahmina Alam, told Al Jazeera.

    Amu Gib, 30, who has not eaten food for 50 days at HMP Bronzefield in Surrey, was taken to hospital on Friday, said the Prisoners for Palestine group and friend Nida Jafri, who is in regular contact with them. Gib uses the pronoun they.

    Ahmed and Gib are among six detainees protesting across five prisons over their alleged involvement in break-ins at the United Kingdom’s subsidiary of the Israeli defence firm Elbit Systems in Bristol and a Royal Air Force base in Oxfordshire.

    They deny the charges against them, such as burglary and violent disorder.

    “It’s day 42 [of Ahmed’s hunger strike], and at this point, there’s significant risk of organ damage,” said his sister, Alam. “We know that he’s rapidly been losing weight in the last few days, losing up to half a kilogram [1.1lbs] a day.”

    The police are arresting doctors calling for medical help for the hostages.

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/police-arrest-and-assault-doctors-supporting-palestine-action-hunger-striker



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,544 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    To think a Labour government would preside over all this. At least with the Tories you know what you are getting. Starmer is an utter worm. I will be glad, if as looks likely, that he'll be gone by next May



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Starmer could become known as Thatcher v 2.0.

    It goes to show there is very little difference between the two parties nowadays, like our own FF and FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,471 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Labour under Starmer are much further to the right than FF or FG. Apparently, there are plenty of Labour backbench MPs who are left wing, but most of Starmer's cabinet are right wing pro-Zionist types, just like him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    FF FG and the UK Labour Party are barely indistinguishable, socially left wing and pushing further left on that front, economically right wing but with a globalist bent as opposed to a nationalist outlook.

    Where they all are totally in lockstep in their commentary though is - they are happy to criticise Israel for it's campaign in Gaza in front of the cameras and microphones, but happy to accept money from pro-Israel sources behind closed doors.

    This isn't ending anytime soon and regardless of who gets into power in Ireland or the UK, the same will continue. For all SFs endless outrage about Gaza and thinking it will get them votes, if they somehow manage to form the next Govt, they will change into something that closely resembles FF.

    As Pat Rabbitte once said, “Isn’t that what you do during an election?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Randycove


    a sure fire way of preventing them from starving to death is for them to eat something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,815 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    The right wing press must be in a quandary over how to report on this, they hate starmer but also hate the protestors, or really anyone slightly critical of israels actions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,544 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    We already saw an indication of this with their private assurances to Davey's stockbrokers in London before the last election. Also the fox hunting bill is another indication of their flexibilty. I suspect their position on that particular issue would be one of the few times you'd be in agreement with Sinn Fein.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


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    Israeli military forces fired tank shells at a school-turned-shelter in Gaza City’s Tuffah neighbourhood on December 19, 2025, where displaced Palestinian families were attending a wedding celebration. The strike killed at least six civilians and wounded others, according to Palestinian civil defence and local sources. The incident occurred while the U.S.-hosted ceasefire talks involving officials from Qatar, Egypt, Turkey, and the United Arab Emirates were underway in Miami. Local tallies indicate this attack adds to hundreds of reported ceasefire violations since a U.S. brokered truce took effect in October 2025. The Israeli military said it fired toward “suspicious individuals” west of the ceasefire’s so-called Yellow Line and stated it was reviewing the incident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Another poster who doesn't understand what a hunger strike is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Randycove


    what’s not to understand. They committed a crime, got arrested and threw their toys out of the pram and have stopped eating until someone gives them what they want

    If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.

    Anyway, I’m starting a free beer campaign and if the government don’t give me what I want, I’m going to stop eating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Thanks for confirming that you don't understand what a hunger strike is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,981 ✭✭✭Macy0161




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Randycove




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,471 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    People on remand aren't 'doing the time' : they haven't been convicted of any crime and are still regarded as innocent under the eyes of the law. If the decision to proscribe them as 'terrorists' is thrown out by the High Court, the Starmer regime will have no choice but to release them from custody.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Randycove


    err, they are on remand because there is a high probability they would reoffend. The decision to keep them on remand is taken by a judge, not a politician and has nothing to do with the status of Palestine action.

    the relevance of PA being proscribed has nothing to do with being charged with offenses relating to aggravated burglary, criminal damage and assault.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,471 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    People are usually held on remand in the UK for offences like murder, manslaughter, rape, attempted murder or armed robbery. This is 100% about politicisation of the legal process by Starmer (presumably to keep his many Zionist buddies happy).



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