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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    I wonder is food provided in The Hague … for war criminals? Maybe surviving staff of World Central Kitchen will feed them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,322 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    I'm sorry but I still don't see it. You are trying to compare apples and bananas I think.

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    An overview of the last two years -

    "Since October 2023, the Israeli regime has been carrying out genocide in the Gaza Strip. It has killed tens of thousands of people, injured hundreds of thousands more, destroyed homes and critical infrastructure and starved most of the population – all as part of a systematic, coordinated attack aimed at annihilating all facets of life in the Gaza Strip (for further details, see B’Tselem report

    Our Genocide, July 2025)."

    https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/202512_no_place_under_heaven_forced_displacement_in_the_gaza_strip_2023_2025



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    And yet, Israel would have you believe it is the one under "existential threat".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Undoubtedly they'll get a slap on the wrist and be told to make sure they don't get caught the next time.

    If a Palestinian ran over an Israeli, you can bet the IDF would be racking up their body count.

    Haaretz:

    A group of Israelis ran over a Palestinian man in the West Bank city of Nablus, according to Palestinian media reports.

    The IDF announced that "several Israeli citizens intentionally entered Nablus without permission."

    The suspects were detained and the vehicle was seized.

    Post edited by dmcdona on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    The model liberal democracy at work -

    "Two Palestinian men have told the BBC they personally experienced the kind of beatings and sexual abuse highlighted in recent reports into the treatment of prisoners in Israeli detention.

    The United Nations Committee against Torture said last month that it was deeply concerned about reports indicating "a de facto state policy of organised and widespread torture and ill treatment" of Palestinian detainees in Israeli jails. It said the allegations had "gravely intensified" after the Hamas-led attacks on Israel on 7 October 2023."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8dy8r7lq0go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Good article - thanks for posting.

    I'm pretty sure the pro-Israelis who consistently highlight the abhorrent sexual violence perpetrated by Hamas will be along shortly to utterly condemn the IDF for sodomising a prisoner and for forcing their dog to rape another.

    Or maybe they won't'.

    Perhaps they'll post their condemnation of Israelis:

    "A recent opinion poll by the widely respected Israel Democracy Institute indicated that the majority of the Israeli public oppose investigating soldiers when they are suspected of having abused Palestinians from Gaza."

    Probably not.

    They'll wail and whine and gnash their teeth when it Israelis who are being abused.

    When it's Palestinians, it's tumbleweed. It's clear a lot of people think Muslims deserve exactly what they get.


    What kind of perverted degenerate gets their dog to fućk a prisoner or sodomise other prisoners with batons and iron bars? And their leaders actually condone it.

    What a sick nation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭freebritney


    I've said it from the start, the IDF and Israeli goverment could not do what they are doing in Gaza without the tacit support of the majority of the population, it's as simple as that. The entire Israeli population shares a collective guilt for the actions of the IDF in Gaza. Israel is a small country with a majority conscript military in an age of social media, there isn't a person in that country who doesn't know a soldier who has served in Gaza, everyone knows what's happening there, everyone. In WW2 when heavily censored letters and soldiers on leave were the only forms of communication the stories of what was happening on the eastern front still made it to Germany, the IDF had to tell their own troops to stop posting their war crimes on TikTok.

    It's become a depraved nation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,471 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Ori Goldberg (Israeli academic who lives in Tel Aviv) makes this point regularly. Whether one approves or disapproves of what Israel has been doing in Gaza, it's a statement of fact that a huge number of Jewish Israelis have been (and still are) fully on board with everything the IDF has done. As an outlier, he gets attacked by Israelis all the time for daring to use words like 'war crimes' and 'genocide'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Who are you calling depraved? Are you implying that there is a human element among Israelis?

    The Israeli army on Friday shelled a school being used as a shelter, where displaced Palestinian families had gathered for a wedding, killing at least six people, including a five-month-old baby.

    The Palestinian civil emergency service said several people were also wounded when an Israeli tank shells hit the second floor of the Gaza Martyrs School in the Tuffah neighbourhood, east of Gaza City. 

    Witnesses reported that an Israeli tank had advanced into the area and approached the school before firing. 

    They also said Israeli forces blocked ambulance and civil defence teams from reaching the site for more than two hours, delaying the evacuation of victims

    Civil emergency services added that they were only able to recover the bodies after the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs intervened with Israeli authorities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,322 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    The same nonsense as all Palestinians being put into one bag as terrorists.

    This thread is certainly giving.

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,544 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    According to some reports round 2 might be coming between Israel and Iran in the new year. I also read yesterday that Bibi and Donnie had planned the June 2025 attacks back in February of that year. The peace talks were apparently a ruse to dupe the Iranians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    Japan officially bans all Israeli tourists from entering the country, citing Israeli Atrocities in Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,679 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Straight out of the Trump playbook. The gruesome twosome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,370 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Where did you read that? All I can see is Twitter and FB rubbish. No real news outlets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,776 ✭✭✭plodder


    Interesting interview with GAA Pres. Jarlath Burns today where he justifies maintaining the relationship with sponsor Allianz. Some of it is understandable pragmatism, but also loyalty. Allianz stuck with the GAA through covid when they weren't getting the recognition they were paying for. There is obviously history there as well in terms of understanding the GAA's insurance needs which couldn't easily be replaced. Which also points to the fact that Allianz Ireland are distinct from the global group. Though in my view, Allianz globally are not responsible for what Israel is doing in Gaza either, but that's just me.

    He referenced a report that I think hasn't been published, but he said this "A lot of what passes for discourse in the modern era is you read something on Facebook and it becomes your embedded view"

    There's a lot of truth in that, because I'd say few people have read the Albenese report that this is all based on. And all the other companies (like Volvo and Hyundai) that are just as "involved" as Allianz. Everyone calling for the GAA to drop Allianz should be checking they aren't supporting those other companies first, if that kind of performative virtue signaling is their thing.

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/1220/1550002-gaa-president-burns-defends-allianz-sponsorship-stance/

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Good opinion piece by Harel of Haaretz:


    "After years of denials, it's all clear: There is nothing ideological about Benjamin Netanyahu's assault on the judiciary.

    The goal has always been to scuttle the criminal proceedings against him, and this effort has been ramped up as the prime minister's situation at the Tel Aviv District Court has deteriorated. …

    The closer we get to the next general election, which is now planned for October, the more we'll see moves on all fronts: extreme legislation, threats to judges and prosecutors, an attempt to halt the trial and containment measures against the appointment of a state commission of inquiry to examine the failures in the run-up to October 7"

    Amos Harel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭thamus doku


    I have no issue with the Isreal link, my problem with allianz is they are one of the worst insurers. If you are with them they will fight you tooth and nail over any claim.
    For that reason alone I would boot them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,076 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    If you are with them they will fight you tooth and nail over any claim.

    Is that not what all insurers do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭thamus doku


    no. I work in the area and Allianz by far the worst. Zurich very good and if you looking at life insurance royal London well worth a look.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I’m not sure about that. I think Netanyahu would prefer a system where elections had predetermined results and all judges did what they were told. He’s a natural authoritarian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    Apologies, it was not the government but some hotels who refused them,(i am sure most sane governments would ban them if not concerned about being murdered), but many more hotels world wide are being brave and joining them , despite the danger to their business by these psychos. Its not just 1 hotel, thats 1 news story........there has been lots of hotels that have banned them, who could blame them really, vile people.......the Japanese government has said it will back their choice.

    Post edited by buzzerxx on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,023 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    This is complete nonsense. A quick Google will show, it was 2 guest houses over the past 2 years and at least one was rebuked by the government as it is against the law to discriminate based on nationality. So the government is not "backing" their choice at all. Also, its 2 guesthouses not the government or lots of hotels as previously claimed. People need to use better sources for their "news"

    On the bondi beach attack thread, you can't even call out Islamic extremists and terrorists without being called racist but here it's ok for dozens of posts labeling an entire population vile, cruel, evil bloodthirsty etc etc. Talk about double standards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    AIPAC in trouble? Looks like it.

    Opinion piece by Liefer of Haaretz.

    The ascendance of xenophobic, America-First nationalism has cast doubt on the long presumed identity of American and Israeli interests and rapidly eroded the taboo on open antisemitism, while Israel's decades-long occupation of the West Bank and siege of Gaza put in question that compatibility of Zionism and liberal democracy.

    The fate of AIPAC in the age of Trump exemplifies this shift. … Having abandoned its old strategy of careful bipartisanship, AIPAC is increasingly a liability for Democratic candidates rather than an asset.

    And while the pro-Israel lobby's alignment with the Christian right may have seemed savvy at least for a time, that strategy also now appears to have backfired.

    Among Republicans, too, those favorable to the pro-Israel lobby largely represent the old guard that will soon be replaced

    Joshua Leifer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,604 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I'd imagine the Settlers would steal the animals too.

    Happy Christmas


    "The event heard reflections that if Jesus had been born today, he "would be born under siege, displaced, without access to medical treatment or nutrition", while the wise men and the shepherds who visited him "would be taken hostage and they would be illegally detained in Israeli prisons""



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,023 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Jesus was a Jewish person born in what back then was Judea , where the jews had lived for millenia. Then the Arabs/Palestinians conquered it and expelled the jews from their homeland.

    Not sure thats the flex they want it to be but clearly nothing is sacred for these people. So, on the one hand jews have no claim to the land and are colonisers according to them, but they use a jew born 2000 years ago on that land to make this point? Make it make sense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israel sees an opportunity for significant displacement of Palestinians in Gaza. Would two million Gazans be given apartments in the new $112 billion urban metropolis?

    US special envoy Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner have presented a $112 billion reconstruction plan to Gulf officials to build a “high-tech metropolis” atop the remains of Gaza, the Wall Street Journal reported on 19 December.

    The 32-page PowerPoint presentation labeled "sensitive" and titled "Project Sunrise" was developed over 45 days and reportedly presented to officials from Qatar, UAE, Egypt, and Turkiye. 

    The plan envisions turning the Gaza Strip into a “high-tech metropolis” over the next two decades with four phases of reconstruction beginning in southern Gaza. 

    It also calls for turning Rafah into Gaza's new “administrative center,” housing over 500,000 residents.

    However, the plan does not specify where two million Palestinians would be sheltered during the reconstruction period



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The German resurrection continues, this time in partnership with its old adversary.

    Amnesty International on Friday called on governments to prevent a German-owned cargo ship carrying munition components bound for Israel from docking at their ports, “given the clear risk that its cargo would contribute to the ongoing genocide in the occupied Gaza Strip, as well as to war crimes and crimes against humanity against Palestinians.”

    The Portuguese-flagged vessel, Holger G, is reported to be carrying around 440 tons of mortar bomb parts, projectiles and military-grade steel, the rights group said.

    Adolf in 1938

    https://der-fuehrer.org/reden/english/38-11-06.htm

    As one who is a lover of peace I have endeavored to create for the German people such an army and such munitions as are calculated to convince others, too, to seek peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,322 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Adolf in 1938

    06 November 1938 - Adolf Hitler - speech at the Gautag of the

    Thuringian National-socialists

    As one who is a lover of peace I have endeavored to create for the German people such an army and such munitions as are calculated to convince others, too, to seek peace.

    Trying hard aren't you. If it wouldn't involve seriousness of the conflict, I would just laugh at it.

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,471 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Very interesting piece. It makes sense too - one wonders how AIPAC could possibly thrive in a deeply divided political landscape, given how far apart MAGA and Democrats are and with a disillusioned public. The era of slavish support for Israel does already seem like an anachronism, especially where we are with the Trump administration and after two years of horror in Gaza.



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