Mass shooting on Bondi Beach

Obviously it made a difference in Australia for a time.

Futile attempts are better than no attempts, especially when hundreds and hundreds of kids have been killed.

A direct response TWO YEARS later? What they were doing in the meantime? Saving up to buy aircraft??

I know Bush used - among other reasons - a claim of alleged secret links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda, but nobody believed that. That indeed is why France and Germany, despite being part of the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, both flat-out refused to join the Iraq invasion. The UK, in order to keep their "special relationship" with the US joined in the pretence wholeheartedly, and a few other countries were probably intimidated into joining, or maybe had their own agenda.

But the truth is that two years after 9/11, the multiple excuses for invading Iraq were a mixture of semi credible (WMDs) and implausible (secret Al Qaeda links was perhaps the least credible of them) excuses.

it was barely over a year and a half after 911 and most certain was sold to the American public as a direct response and as part of the wider war on terror.

Well, in fairness, the US (led) invasion of Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9/11, because Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. 9/11 was certainly used as an excuse for America's illegal oil war and they blew that horn repeatedly in the initial stages while they dusted off their pre-made plans for invasion. But there were absolutely zero connections between Saddam Hussein, the Ba'ath Party or 9/11, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. In fact, it was the likes of nutters in Al Qaeda that Hussein was keeping a lid on his own region. We saw clearly what happened when he was toppled.

Bush and Co. were in a rush to get the bombing started in 2003, because they knew that the 9/11 commission weren't going to find anything to connect Hussein to the Sept. 11 attacks and sure enough, in 2004 that is what exactly happened. By the time the invasion went ahead the excuses had already shifted completely to WMD's. Itself a complete lie as well.

I have already posted that USA went to war on false pretenses (Al Queda + WMDs) but it was clear they used 9/11 to do so

They did, using their "war on terror" as a broader excuse. But nobody of any credibility ever took that as a serious concept, which is why the Bush admin switched to using the equally bogus excuse of WMD's later on. Something that was also seen as bullshit by millions, but by that stage nothing was going to stop that invasion from happening.

It's arguable that nearly everything to do with Muslim extremism in the 20+ years since that invasion is a direct or indirect consequence of it.

Anyway I've no real desire to relive all of those discussions again. I did all of that over two decades ago.

significant trauma is the root cause, but we wont make any changes, or address any of the issues that caused such trauma, so, on we go……

again, trauma! trump also suffers with significant levels of trauma, hence his behaviors, you ll also find, hes far more wealthier! people that are significantly traumatised, from their life experiences, especially their childhood experiences, commit such serious crimes, but again, dont worry, none of these issues will be addressed!

thats interesting, what happens if you have no belief in a god!

trauma is not acceptable, such acts are not acceptable, but again, we will not address the underlying issues that causes such acts, i.e. trauma, nothing is gonna change, nothing!

What trauma has the Australian-born son of a Pakistani family suffered that millions of other people haven’t?

Yeah I'm sure that they are two very different types of islamic terrorism. Both used long guns but ones were Al-Qaeda the others were IS so totally different.

When the bullet hits your skull, what will it matter why what flavour of islamic terrorism?

It doesn't but I fail to see your point.

My point is that in the western world islamic terrorism is an imported problem that was completely avoidable.

Equally there is nothing to show that they were not thinking about Israel and the genocide there when they carried out this murder spree.

If Netanyahu`s murderous spree of Palestinians in Gaza was behind this thinking of them going to the Philippines to make contact with ISIS, then I would very much doubt ISIS would have told them to get lost because they were not interested because of it being in relation to Israel.