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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 12.02.26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,440 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    exactly, and like Mainoo he did very little wrong on the pitch but fell out with the manager, got the strop, fans turned against him → fire sale.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,685 ✭✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    I hope that's two for CM and two for CB. The spine of the team is so weak that they could do with buying two starters for CB next year. Especially because I think one of our starting CMs will still be Bruno. So CBs that better suit what Amorim wants should be bought along with trying to break the bank for Anderson.

    Though hard to see them bring in a LCB unless they can move on Shaw or Licha. Both have 18mths left on their contracts but Licha has a plus one option. Of the two I'd rather keep Licha.

    Don't think they bench De Ligt by bringing in a new CCB. Maybe new RCB with Maz as back up and Yoro replaces Maguire as back up to De Ligt. Can rotate both of them to manage De Ligts minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭Caustic


    Garnacho refusing to go to another other club bar Chelsea is what really drove the price down and he is now playing less for them then he did for us last season.

    Maybe mainoo refuses to only go to Chelsea so he can also play less for them then he does for us.

    If he is open to any move the price will be higher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭Caustic


    Probably not but he is certainly a profile of player that their manager would like in terms of ability on the ball, it's a brave new world in football only premier league clubs can rally afford other higher valued premier league players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭FrankN1




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,563 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    I reckon we would only get 60 mil max for Mainoo.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,900 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    That is really interesting, admitting on the pitch we see issues but off if he is adamant his approach is right.

    It goes some way to explaining the clubs patience with him if they feel a lot of what is happening away from the pitch provides some scope for the on pitch issues to be given more time.

    Maybe Amorim is taking the big steps, that Ralf talked up as needed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭Caustic


    Seen a snippet of an interview from mct, where the interviewer was essentially pressing the point that players succeed when they leave united.

    And him saying That's not really the case it's just an easy excuse for players and the media essentially focus on the best stories and forget the rest.

    And said united as a club did everything for him that gets done at other clubs.

    Very different to other players who have left and a breath of fresh air.

    **** it bring him home,.maybe we can swap mainoo for him :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,145 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Amorim is completely right about the entitlement of players and he has made Mainoo and others look proper socially inadequate fools there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,225 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Even if he has a point, his tendency to over share and being hot headed in front of the media, is what caused this issue in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,685 ✭✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Yeah I was thinking between £40M and £50M will be the realistic fee for Mainoo which is why I think they should loan him out. Get him out playing regularly to see if you can get a better fee for him in the summer.

    While Garnacho was a goal scoring attacker he also had a poor attitude and was told to find a new club. Fingers crossed it doesn't end that way for Mainoo. Think he's got the versatility needed to slot in anywhere of a midfield trio.

    But the club should definitely be looking for a loan. Try to create some buzz surrounding his time playing between now and the summer. If he flops it's going to be similar as just staying here and not doing much. If he goes and absolutely smashes it can help boost the few or changes the managers thoughts about the lad.

    Could also see Bruno running down his contract. He's not gonna go to Saudi. They threw boat loads of cash at him and he said no. Can't see him going to Saudi and clubs in Italy or Spain aren't paying big money for him. So the club need to do something to help protect Mainoo's fee or develop him into a starter because I don't see the Saudi dollars rolling in to help overhaul the squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,677 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    I don’t agree, as someone said earlier, it was time for this rotten culture of going around as if the whole world owes them something was called out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭Charlie69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    I also agree with Amorim when it comes to former greats like Scholes not helping matters.

    You earned everything you got on the teams he played in.

    I really like the fact that Amorim seems to want to base everything on standards, workrate and earning your place, no shortcuts, no reputation’s carrying you. That’s exactly what we’ve been missing for years.

    It’s frustrating hearing former legends saying young players like Mainoo should be looking to leave if they’re not starting games. That mentality helps no one and fair play to Keane for encouraging him to work hard , improve and fight for his place in the team.

    No toom for entitlement here, minutes on the pitch are earned and not owed to anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,225 ✭✭✭Acosta


    A manager of any club who decides to air the dirty laundry in public, is going to have similar problems.

    And I don't blame ex players for suggesting that such and such should probably leave. Amorim is stubborn. If he's decided a player is not for him, I don't think he will allow his mind to be changed, no matter what he's seeing in training, or in a game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,918 ✭✭✭DataDude


    It is easy to build narratives in hindsight though. The reality is it was fairly widely reported at various stages that Amad was looking to leave under ETH.

    It’s not like he miraculously worked hard, Rocky style, and won ETH over. ETH got sacked. It worked out for Amad. If ETH was still in charge Amad would (correctly) have forced an exit to save his career.

    If Amorim gets sacked and the new manager plays 433 and makes Mainoo a starter. He too will be happy and we’ll write about his determination to stay. If Amorim stays, he will (correctly) leave to save his career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,145 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Amad was benched for ETHs star signing, who was also awful but the manager had 85 million reasons to want to continue with him.

    Mainoo is battling our best player over the past 5 years (and it's not even close) . The narrative that a 20 year old needs to leave Manchester United to save their career is an interesting one to me. If he stays, works hard, and has patience he'll get plenty of gametime. Maybe he leaves and goes on to have a stellar career but history would suggest the opposite and those advising him are doing a piss poor job IMO.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    So if a young player is not getting minutes he should look for a transfer?

    At this club nobody should be guaranteed anything, especially young players that are still developing. The best United sides were built on competition, hunger and players proving themselves every day in training.

    If Amorim comes in and sets that tone , ex players should be backing it , not undermining it with advice that weakens the culture we’re supposed to be rebuilding.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,145 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    What's funny is that last season Casemiro was in the same position and through hard work and clearly training like a demon he worked his way back into the team.

    I don't get the feeling Amorim is wedded to a first 11, like ETH was, and will pick on form for the most part. If Mainoo was being undeniable in training I can almost guarantee he would be playing more. I also feel that Mainoos team have now scuttled his chances at 2 pivotal points in the season. The first just before the transfer window closed and the second after the Bournemouth game when he put in a very good 30 minutes.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,918 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Fernandes could leave this summer. He could stay another 2+ years. Amorim could be sacked next month. He could be here another 5+ years.

    While both of those are here Mainoo has no chance for the reasons you state. I’m skeptical whether Mainoo’s profile ever fits an Amorim 2. So he’s potentially just waiting for the manager to be sacked if so.

    People who are absolutely elite at anything in life generally won’t be happy to wait for events totally out of their control to happen.

    A football career is short. Add in that just 18 months ago, Mainoo was one of the most talked about players in the world, it’s really not surprising he’s not guna just chill for 2+ years and see what happens with Amorim. It’s difficult to comprehend how difficult a fall that far after a rise so fast would be.

    He should definitely leave. That’s fine. Sometimes managers and players just aren’t compatible. That’s life. United is just 1 of many big clubs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    Agreed, I think it didn’t help that young players like mainoo have seen the likes of Rashford who completely downed tools ( total opposite to Case) for United and what was a brand new manager just in the door , go on to fail upwards at Barcelona and almost get rewarded for his petulance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭Quandary


    Amorim is stubborn - absolutely no doubt about that and often to his detriment, but I find it very hard to believe he wouldn't give a player more chances if he was doing everything required in training. The man clearly prides hard work, professionalism, attitude, tenacity and application above everything else.

    Do people really think Mainoo has been incredible in training and should be starting? I can't imagine he has been, otherwise he would be getting at least some gametime instead of Bruno or maybe Mount. Ask yourself, what is the biggest difference between Mount/Bruno and Mainoo? The answer is clearly workrate, physicality, tenacity presence on the pitch. Almost anytime I've seen Mainoo play this season he has been severely lacking in these areas compared to the other two.

    He is only 20 years old and although I think he is an incredibly talented footballer in so many ways he is no where near ready to be a starter in an Amorim team. As for people saying he would be of interest to Liverpool? The lad does not play with the intensity required, at least not yet.

    Amorim may not be the man to get Utd back to where we all want them to be but he is most certainly instilling values and expectations that have been missing for far too long. I sincerely hope the next manager insists on the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭kyleman


    I’m one of the few that thought ETH was stumbling in the right direction and wasn’t fully Amorim in .

    If anyone told me Hojlund , Garnacho and now looking like Marino would be out the door I would be shouting Amorim out.

    Now I feel Amorim is a 100% correct.
    Already too many red flags with Mainoo on the back of a few half decent international games .

    Why should Utd give him a loan so he might play for England. What’s wrong with him putting his head down and put in the hard miles. Keane is 100% right.

    Having said all that I would love to see Mainoo start against Villa (in a match we don’t expect to win) and tear it up with a smile rather than a scowl on his face and for him to remember how privileged he is to be playing for one of the greatest clubs in the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,225 ✭✭✭Acosta


    I'd have more of an issue about him having a dig at players on loan, or who are playing with the Under 21's. Those lads could and possibly should consider looking for a move.

    Then again, I doubt Amorim will be around in the long term. And for that reason, more than any other, the likes of Mainoo should keep the head down and work hard. But it also has to be incredibly frustrating after playing in a Euros final, knowing that you're going to miss out on being part of a world cup squad.

    That's a fair enough point about Casemiro. He did play in a lot of games last season, but not too many of them were starts. But there's also very little options in terms of proper DMF in the team. Fernandes is playing out of position there. And even if he did decide to play Mainoo deeper, it's not his best position. And let's face it, Ugarte was a shocking signing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,918 ✭✭✭DataDude


    I really think people hold footballers to insane emotional standards too.

    Imagine being promoted in work to a very senior position. You’re the brightest star in the company, on the way to CEO. New boss comes in, makes your role redundant, says you’re not that great and puts you on the phones answering calls. Tells you to get the head down work hard and at some future point maybe you’ll be taken off the phones. I think most 40 something year old men would be telling the new fella to do one and go to another company who’ll give you the senior job back.

    Now imagine yourself in that scenario when you’re literally 20. Sure footballers are rich etc. but he’s still just a kid. A somewhat raw emotional response to his situation is pretty much guaranteed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,384 ✭✭✭cosatron


    A half few decent international games with declan rice beside him absolutely lording it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,145 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    But that's just speculation on your behalf. If we look at Amorims time at the club he played Mainoo plenty last season, with injuries being the biggest set back yet again for him, not the manager. This season is different though. He won't sign a new deal and has been agitating for a move since the 2nd game of the season. Thats not a player willing to stay and fight for his spot. He seems to be taking Tuchels advice on board more than his own manager. And let's be honest here, he ain't getting a game ahead of Rice, Anderson, or Wharton anytime soon as they are operating on a completely different level to anything we've seen from Mainoo on a consistent basis.

    I do think he should go and I think the club will listen to offers but if we can't get a replacement in January then he shouldn't be let leave until the summer as that's the best thing for the team. Whether Mainoo makes the England squad is of absolutely no concern to Utd and nor should it be. I am sure Mainoo will go on to have a decent career but unless he has a serious attitude adjustment his career could go sideways very quickly.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    Yeah I agree with this, no offence DataDude but I also thought that was a terrible analogy. And if a 20 year old hit Alex Ferguson with a “raw emotional response “ his feet wouldn’t touch the ground on his way out the door.



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