After the FF Presidential election debacle, how long before Micheal Martin resigns or is pushed?

Agree with your second point. On the first, the SD's and PBP don't have the national organisations to cash in on any collapse in the SF vote, even if it were likely to happen. SF might (and probably would) lose some support to them in urban areas, once any FF/SF coalition became a reality. But that's life. Any left or left-styled party, any party in fact, can expect to lose votes once they walk into Govt Buildings as they will never fulfil their voters' expectations

Currently on NT, getting more intense grilling from Pat Kenny

It's a fair point, yes, outside of areas where SD and PBP have a presence the left voters would likely either suck it up or vote for FF/FG as an anti-hard-left vote. I think your comment about any party expecting to lose votes once walking into govt buildings doesn't extend to FF and FG as everybody knows what to expect from them at this stage

Unless there is an obvious successor, which right now there isn't, I'd say this is what will happen.

I heard him on with David McCullagh. It was a soft enough interview but he certainly didn't sound like he was going anywhere.

Cynthia Ni Mhurchu on RTE at one o clock, was fairly scathing of MM and the FF process or lack of it for selecting a presidential candidate, apparently she wanted to run herself

If memory serves there was some non-story bad news getting released by the usual anti-SF media at the time. Happens with a lot of our elections in fairness

She might have had a better chance of winning than Gavin. It was almost an open goal for FF after FG selected Humphreys. SF hadn't made its decision to back Connolly at that stage, I think.

FS Spent 3 weeks checking on the tenant and the Gavin's financial issues with the flat, had to check out the journalists version too…

Even now, I still don't quite know why Gavin wanted to run for President.

And they never squared that circle of Jim saying he's not a politician, but getting asked "then why are you running for FF?"

Didn't FG approach Gavin about running for them in a General Election previously? Despite his substantial achievements in the GAA and maybe it's just me but I don't see anything in Gavin that would make me vote him? Yes I know some would vote for him because of his name and achievements but after that what else is there? Then again an ex-jockey got elected as an MEP.

Still believe that his appointment to Chair the Citizens Assembly and the North East Inner City were Martin setting him up for this run.

Martin on the radio said he met Gavin through the Citizens Assembly,.. he appointed him.

The Triple Lock debate is being framed as if Ireland is somehow “handing our sovereignty” to Russia, China or the US, but that suggestion misses the point. Firstly on my own stance, I have backed Michael Martin here recently over the presidential election and calls to oust him, that does not, however, mean I back every decision including and specifically relating to the triple lock decision.

While my position has been to stop the calls of the far left destabilising and dismantling the NATO framework and affect global events outside of Ireland, I do not however ascribe to Michael Martins jump in logic from there to let’s disown the triple lock because of Russia. My position has always been very clear, we should not let our own internal struggles expand out across the globe and cause political shocks and wars including Gaza and any involvement we did or did not have there.

I still support Michael Martin but his ability to dance around topics and misrepresent peoples positions who were defending the Western establishments position while not advocating for Ireland to take part in that position, is nimble if not misrepresentation. I will give him the benefit of the doubt if I believed for one second he is pro western establishment and not doing a contrarian stance for FF to cover both positions as they usually do. I will continue to support Michael Martin but want to distance my own stance from that of abolishing the triple lock.

Actually, I take that back, I came in to edit the post and leave this note- he was not taking both positions he was trying to help people like me and be pro western but to his detriment.

Michael should stay on. That’s not to take anything away from Kelleher who has his own strengths. He is taking the traditional FF position. Martin was brave to try and move things forward but populism might win out.