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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Screenshot_2025-12-18-22-09-11-112_com.android.chrome-edit.jpg

    That cannot be good news for Vlad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


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    https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.com/post/3mabxmjddqs2m

    Russians in Kupyansk have been completely cut off from supplies. A small contingent of Russians -hidden in basements- is present in the center. It will take some time, but they will eventually give up, surrender or get killed. Just like the Kucheriv Yar pocket(s).

    Is this a cauldron?

    And should I be concerned?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Not sure if posted but the tanker hit I think it was yesterday has sunk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Looks like the deal to use frozen russian monies to fund Ukraine has fallen through.

    https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-fails-to-back-merz-von-der-leyens-ukraine-loan-plan/

    EU leaders failed on Thursday to agree a plan to lend Ukraine billions of euros using immobilised Russian assets, dealing a blow to supporters of the scheme and handing Belgium’s Prime Minister Bart De Wever a major win.

    At around 3am, European Council President António Costa said leaders would only agree a €90 billion loan to cover Kyiv’s short-term needs, while continuing to look at the so-called reparations loan that has been met by consistent opposition by Belgium.

    So, has Europe/EU balked? To the delight of putin? Not a message of unity and strength? A show of weakness?

    A decisive message needed to be sent, didnt happen. Will €90bn of "common borrowing" ( more EU debt ) be enough? Looks like Orban and co ( putin ) won?

    Post edited by aidanodr on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Some echoes of the unequal treaties Qing China was forced to sign with Russia. Sarah Paine the academic argues that Russia always posed as China's ally against Western colonialism, as cover for taking territory from it. Now it's in reverse at least economically. Putin also ceded many islands to China some years ago in a settlement of border disputes

    Reports the WH unhappy about Ukraine's recent successes,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    €90bn is better than nothing but Russia should be the one paying for the destruction it has caused.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭somenergy


    Bad look for eu backing down and giving in to US/Russia who are getting closer to Ukraine capitulation then the baltics and Poland are fcuked anyone's guess after.

    Investment in these countries will weaken first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The Guardian reports Russia used an influence campaign including death threats to Belgian politicians and finance bosses to block the use of the Russian assets to help Ukraine.

    Russia is now spending 38% of its budget on defence and has a €70 bn deficit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Don't agree that the look of being considered about financial issues looks bad for the EU at all. No surprise in this 90billion euro loan to Ukraine independent of frozen terrorist state assets in my mind with the Euro at such a strong level compared to the dollar which under Trump has been sliding in value. EU financiers can simply print the 90billion and still maintain the value of the Euro as it makes obvious sense that backing Ukraine in the long term is the better financial option for the EU in the face of putin's terrorist state's continued expansionist policies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭riddles


    Russia appears to have spend up tp 210 bn in 2025 on defence and security with hundreds of thousands in casualties. They captured an additional 1% of the Ukraine. I dont know how much resillience the Ukraine has left but the challenging position in a conflict like this is forward momemtum. Damage to Russian oil and gas production plus oil at e7 a barrell means Russian oil moneys way down. Without western tech they are also 20 30% less eficient 90bnwill along way against them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    The deal didn't 'fall through'. Ukraine gets 90bn which they desperately need and the Russian assets remain frozen so Russia and the US can't touch them. It would have been great if those assets could have been used to finance this but it's a tricky situation. Let's hope they still find a way down the line.

    It might not be 100% what Ukraine asked for, but it's good news for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Interesting take on this from this journalist who writes for the economist

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    On a different note- more ukranian sanctions over night

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Could they have agreed a program to draw down the Russian frozen assets gradually?

    So it's an incentive for Russia to end the war earlier rather than later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    This is not a surprise, it was predicted unfortunately. Ukraine is in big trouble financially and this will not help



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    They get at least 90bn on top of all the individual countries' aid, how will this not help ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Who are those White House reports being attributed to?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Field east


    Moscow is probably only a staging point for the Indians. Very few of those Ru on the front line are from Moscow so no vacancies to be filled there . Will be sent:-

    (1) to the front line or to ‘training camps’ to be show how to drive, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. and then onto the front lines

    (2) fill vacancies , in remote republics, when locals from there were sent to the front lines.

    Imagine the language issue and trying to get a hold on the skills required in that context. I’d say that Putin will opt for no 2 initially to show Modi that they will be ‘ safe’ but I would fear for further arrivals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Why did the European leaders ever propose giving the Russian embargoed money to Ukraine when they weren't certain that they could deliver on their plan. Why didn't they just give them money from the EU coffers directly as they ended up doing late last night anyway. They created self inflicted damage to the EU needlessly. Chancellor Merz stated that a failure to deliver on the Russian money issue would set the EU back decades. Well they failed to deliver on it and he's now claiming their climbdown was a success. Pathetic imo.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,667 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    It shows that even when the Russians threaten to push people out of windows that it won't stop the EU supporting Ukraine. This isn't the EUs fault. Blame the Russians and the people they blackmailed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,502 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭combat14


    the 90,000,000,000 loan (spread across 24 eu states) starting from January is a big win for Ukraine - they will get the money quickly no more delays

    The loan doesn't have to be repaid till Russia pays reparations when is that going to happen..

    Russias hundreds of billions is frozen indefinitely and the eu still reserves the right to use it - so that pain for Vlad still hasn't gone away

    the decision to provide the money to ukraine was agreed by all eu states is a major success

    90 billion spread across 24 states is minor risk - the US debt is 38 trillion with an extra trillion in interest payments every few months so small fry stuff

    a big success for Zelensky there are not many countries rushing to give russia 90 billion loans



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,876 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ukrainian clearance of basements and such has had them tossing fuse modified 155mm artillery shells and 180mm mortar rounds as normal grenades have proven to be too weak.

    My shoulder is twinging just thinking about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,322 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Not exactly happy myself but I understand that Europe isn't a unliteral dictatorship, it's 40+ countries - seizing a foreign state's assets is fairly unprecedented - hence the discussions over it. Sometimes bills pass, sometimes they don't, likewise legislation, likewise getting proposals over the line.

    Using this thread of all threads to bash the EU at every available opportunity is odd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,876 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Remember when the dumb Orcs destroyed a dam in Ukraine, even though it was the main source of water for Crimea?

    It would be very fitting if they end up drowning in their own sh​it. Saying the occupiers of Crimea are filthy scum has now becoming literally true - Russkiy Mir!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Picture is a bit misleading as it doesn't convey the full extent of what Ukraine has just done. One could almost describe it as an "escalation". First, they've overtly attacked the ship with aerial drones (several hits) which means they have a team operating a long, long, long way from Ukraine. And secondly, it seems Russian sources say that the Ukranians killed and injured several GRU officials. Purely coincidental that this happens only a few days after EU/NATO sources say that they know the Kremlin has agents on these vessels?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,876 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I think 'Sub Sea Baby' could be a great seed lyric for a song. Perhaps Bernie Taupin could do something with it.

    For super extra great fun, Ukraine needs to follow my earlier suggestion and truck some of these to Denmark and let them go play with those Orc warships that have been protecting the Shadow fleet tankers, possibly flying drones, and using their EWS to mess with GPS and Danish comms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    It is indeed a good result for both Ukraine and the EU. There are of course negatives to all the the shanigans around this, but there are 2 positive take-aways:

    1. Europe has shown yet again that it is willing to dig into their pockets to support Ukraine. The brutal cynic in me would also add that sending truck loads of cash to Kyiv is also multitudes cheaper than having to run a multi-front continental war. Let the Russian nitwits hobble what's left of their military "abilites" mucking about in the Dombas while Europe pays for keeping the lights on in Ukraine. That's the Bargin of the F*cking Century right there.
    2. Those frozen Russian funds are not going anywhere…and now that some time has been bought could still end up going to Ukraine. And that's on top of the 90bn that's going to be sent now.

    What we're seeing here with the Euroclear shenangans is the stark difference between support for Ukraine and support for the Russian Federation. Ukraine have access to almost the entire industrialised free world for support, while the Russians have to canibalise what's left from the Soviet days and strike unequal deals with their…."friends"…for want of a much better word.

    Donnie's US and the Russians attempt to minimise and belittle Europe from all of this, but I believe this is due to something that neither would ever like to admit. Europe has a considerable amount of policial and economic power, and longer this war is drawn out the "military power" side of things is also improving. Neither would ever like to admit that in a multi-polar world, that Europe is one of the more signifigant powers out there, which also has the annoying knack of showing the dividends of liberal democracy. They will do their damndest to never address Europe as an equal…but as this news has shown…the continent can and will do what it needs to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I presume any interest made on the frozen Russian assets can be given to Ukraine? Or maybe it is already. Probably a bit going that way if so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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