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The final 12 Australian Abrams have arrived in Ukraine to make up the 49, after 37 arrived earlier in July.
He and Krasnov are well matched, both swimming in and splashing everyone with the shit of their own creation and expecting everyone to just swallow it.
I think he's been taking lessons from Lavrov.
That already happens, yes. I know Belgium sends interest made on the assets to Ukraine.
If that doesn't give you a big lift. Shadow fleet struck again. Outside the black sea. Potential GRU casualties (including a head of hybrid warfare in Europe). Finger in the eye of India. Two fingers to Putin. And two fingers to the orange goon.
€3.7 billion in interest given to Ukraine so far.
I don't recall seeing this mentioned previously:
Norwegian think tank calculates Europe’s binary choice.Russia wins, Europe pays €1.2-1.6 trillion. Ukraine wins, Europe pays half. That’s the stark math in a new report by Corisk and the Norwegian Institute of International Affairs. The choice: spend more now to help Ukraine win, or spend far more later to defend a Europe without Ukraine.The findings challenge the prevailing political narrative that Europe cannot afford to increase its support for Ukraine.The report arrives as a direct challenge to the Trump administration’s 28-point peace plan, which the authors argue misreads what is required for a stable Ukraine and Europe. A Russian partial victory would force Europe into a massive rearmament program to deter further aggression, amounting to €1.2-1.6 trillion over a four-year period. Equipping Ukraine to win would cost €522-838 billion over the same period—roughly half of that amount.
Norwegian think tank calculates Europe’s binary choice.
Russia wins, Europe pays €1.2-1.6 trillion. Ukraine wins, Europe pays half. That’s the stark math in a new report by Corisk and the Norwegian Institute of International Affairs. The choice: spend more now to help Ukraine win, or spend far more later to defend a Europe without Ukraine.
The findings challenge the prevailing political narrative that Europe cannot afford to increase its support for Ukraine.
The report arrives as a direct challenge to the Trump administration’s 28-point peace plan, which the authors argue misreads what is required for a stable Ukraine and Europe. A Russian partial victory would force Europe into a massive rearmament program to deter further aggression, amounting to €1.2-1.6 trillion over a four-year period. Equipping Ukraine to win would cost €522-838 billion over the same period—roughly half of that amount.
https://ukrainetoday.org/norway-did-the-math-arm-ukraine-to-win-or-pay-double-when-russia-does/
Poland should take note. They are on a massive spending spree for their own defences but less so when it comes to assisting Ukraine directly. Norway just gave Ukraine a nice Xmas present;
Ukraine's air defense can count on quite significant strengthening with missiles of various types from Norway. The country’s government announced provision of another tranche of military aid to Ukraine in the amount of 3.2 billion Norwegian kroner (about $313 million) for these purposes.According to the announcement, this amount includes purchase in the U.S. of ammunition for F-16 fighters for a total amount of about 1 billion Norwegian kroner (about $97.8 million) under the FMS program. Which specific ammunition will be purchased is not mentioned, but given the direction of the package and available armament, this could concern AIM-120, AIM-9 and APKWS missiles.The latter option is indicated by the fact that within this tranche, inexpensive systems with good availability, large production volumes and relatively low prices are being purchased. By the way, finally an F-16 was spotted in Ukraine's skies,which most likely was armed with them.Another 0.5 billion Norwegian kroner (about $48.9 million) the Norwegian government is directing to anti-aircraft missiles for the S-300 system. The source of procurement of these missiles is not named, and finding ammunition for it now is undoubtedly a super-difficult task, because their manufacturer is russia, and the stocks of all obvious donors should have been depleted quite a long time ago.
Ukraine's air defense can count on quite significant strengthening with missiles of various types from Norway. The country’s government announced provision of another tranche of military aid to Ukraine in the amount of 3.2 billion Norwegian kroner (about $313 million) for these purposes.
According to the announcement, this amount includes purchase in the U.S. of ammunition for F-16 fighters for a total amount of about 1 billion Norwegian kroner (about $97.8 million) under the FMS program. Which specific ammunition will be purchased is not mentioned, but given the direction of the package and available armament, this could concern AIM-120, AIM-9 and APKWS missiles.
The latter option is indicated by the fact that within this tranche, inexpensive systems with good availability, large production volumes and relatively low prices are being purchased. By the way, finally an F-16 was spotted in Ukraine's skies,which most likely was armed with them.
Another 0.5 billion Norwegian kroner (about $48.9 million) the Norwegian government is directing to anti-aircraft missiles for the S-300 system. The source of procurement of these missiles is not named, and finding ammunition for it now is undoubtedly a super-difficult task, because their manufacturer is russia, and the stocks of all obvious donors should have been depleted quite a long time ago.
But as we know from some posters, Europe is doing nothing to assist Ukraine, leaving aside all those joint effort Ukrainian arms factories starting up in the UK, Denmark, Romania (?) and other places. Rhinemetal are going to build the worlds most advanced military explosives factory in Bulgaria and their ammunition plant will soon open in Ukraine.
Well worth a look:
https://militarnyi.com/en/news/britain-and-ukraine-launch-joint-drone-production-venture/
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I presume any interest made on the frozen Russian assets can be given to Ukraine? Or maybe it is already. Probably a bit going that way if so.
It is indeed a good result for both Ukraine and the EU. There are of course negatives to all the the shanigans around this, but there are 2 positive take-aways:
What we're seeing here with the Euroclear shenangans is the stark difference between support for Ukraine and support for the Russian Federation. Ukraine have access to almost the entire industrialised free world for support, while the Russians have to canibalise what's left from the Soviet days and strike unequal deals with their…."friends"…for want of a much better word.
Donnie's US and the Russians attempt to minimise and belittle Europe from all of this, but I believe this is due to something that neither would ever like to admit. Europe has a considerable amount of policial and economic power, and longer this war is drawn out the "military power" side of things is also improving. Neither would ever like to admit that in a multi-polar world, that Europe is one of the more signifigant powers out there, which also has the annoying knack of showing the dividends of liberal democracy. They will do their damndest to never address Europe as an equal…but as this news has shown…the continent can and will do what it needs to do.
I think 'Sub Sea Baby' could be a great seed lyric for a song. Perhaps Bernie Taupin could do something with it.
For super extra great fun, Ukraine needs to follow my earlier suggestion and truck some of these to Denmark and let them go play with those Orc warships that have been protecting the Shadow fleet tankers, possibly flying drones, and using their EWS to mess with GPS and Danish comms.
Picture is a bit misleading as it doesn't convey the full extent of what Ukraine has just done. One could almost describe it as an "escalation". First, they've overtly attacked the ship with aerial drones (several hits) which means they have a team operating a long, long, long way from Ukraine. And secondly, it seems Russian sources say that the Ukranians killed and injured several GRU officials. Purely coincidental that this happens only a few days after EU/NATO sources say that they know the Kremlin has agents on these vessels?
Remember when the dumb Orcs destroyed a dam in Ukraine, even though it was the main source of water for Crimea?
It would be very fitting if they end up drowning in their own shit. Saying the occupiers of Crimea are filthy scum has now becoming literally true - Russkiy Mir!
Not exactly happy myself but I understand that Europe isn't a unliteral dictatorship, it's 40+ countries - seizing a foreign state's assets is fairly unprecedented - hence the discussions over it. Sometimes bills pass, sometimes they don't, likewise legislation, likewise getting proposals over the line.
Using this thread of all threads to bash the EU at every available opportunity is odd
Ukrainian clearance of basements and such has had them tossing fuse modified 155mm artillery shells and 180mm mortar rounds as normal grenades have proven to be too weak.
My shoulder is twinging just thinking about it.
A big start to the day folks
the 90,000,000,000 loan (spread across 24 eu states) starting from January is a big win for Ukraine - they will get the money quickly no more delays
The loan doesn't have to be repaid till Russia pays reparations when is that going to happen..
Russias hundreds of billions is frozen indefinitely and the eu still reserves the right to use it - so that pain for Vlad still hasn't gone away
the decision to provide the money to ukraine was agreed by all eu states is a major success
90 billion spread across 24 states is minor risk - the US debt is 38 trillion with an extra trillion in interest payments every few months so small fry stuff
a big success for Zelensky there are not many countries rushing to give russia 90 billion loans
Are you concerned?
It shows that even when the Russians threaten to push people out of windows that it won't stop the EU supporting Ukraine. This isn't the EUs fault. Blame the Russians and the people they blackmailed.
Why did the European leaders ever propose giving the Russian embargoed money to Ukraine when they weren't certain that they could deliver on their plan. Why didn't they just give them money from the EU coffers directly as they ended up doing late last night anyway. They created self inflicted damage to the EU needlessly. Chancellor Merz stated that a failure to deliver on the Russian money issue would set the EU back decades. Well they failed to deliver on it and he's now claiming their climbdown was a success. Pathetic imo.
Moscow is probably only a staging point for the Indians. Very few of those Ru on the front line are from Moscow so no vacancies to be filled there . Will be sent:-
(1) to the front line or to ‘training camps’ to be show how to drive, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. and then onto the front lines
(2) fill vacancies , in remote republics, when locals from there were sent to the front lines.
Imagine the language issue and trying to get a hold on the skills required in that context. I’d say that Putin will opt for no 2 initially to show Modi that they will be ‘ safe’ but I would fear for further arrivals
Who are those White House reports being attributed to?
They get at least 90bn on top of all the individual countries' aid, how will this not help ?
This is not a surprise, it was predicted unfortunately. Ukraine is in big trouble financially and this will not help
Could they have agreed a program to draw down the Russian frozen assets gradually?
So it's an incentive for Russia to end the war earlier rather than later.
Interesting take on this from this journalist who writes for the economist
On a different note- more ukranian sanctions over night
The deal didn't 'fall through'. Ukraine gets 90bn which they desperately need and the Russian assets remain frozen so Russia and the US can't touch them. It would have been great if those assets could have been used to finance this but it's a tricky situation. Let's hope they still find a way down the line.
It might not be 100% what Ukraine asked for, but it's good news for them.
Russia appears to have spend up tp 210 bn in 2025 on defence and security with hundreds of thousands in casualties. They captured an additional 1% of the Ukraine. I dont know how much resillience the Ukraine has left but the challenging position in a conflict like this is forward momemtum. Damage to Russian oil and gas production plus oil at e7 a barrell means Russian oil moneys way down. Without western tech they are also 20 30% less eficient 90bnwill along way against them.
Don't agree that the look of being considered about financial issues looks bad for the EU at all. No surprise in this 90billion euro loan to Ukraine independent of frozen terrorist state assets in my mind with the Euro at such a strong level compared to the dollar which under Trump has been sliding in value. EU financiers can simply print the 90billion and still maintain the value of the Euro as it makes obvious sense that backing Ukraine in the long term is the better financial option for the EU in the face of putin's terrorist state's continued expansionist policies.
The Guardian reports Russia used an influence campaign including death threats to Belgian politicians and finance bosses to block the use of the Russian assets to help Ukraine.
Russia is now spending 38% of its budget on defence and has a €70 bn deficit.
Bad look for eu backing down and giving in to US/Russia who are getting closer to Ukraine capitulation then the baltics and Poland are fcuked anyone's guess after.
Investment in these countries will weaken first.
