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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,183 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Zionists have being doing this for years and their bullying has real consequences as they get to decide what is 'anti-semitic'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    US again shows its timidity on all things related to israel

    Tuesday’s order imposed a travel ban on six new countries – Palestine, Burkina Faso, Mali, Niger, South Sudan and Syria – in addition to the 12 initially made public in June.

    The decree did not refer to Palestine, which Washington does not recognise as a state, by name or even as the occupied Palestinian territory.

    Instead, it describes the Palestine category as “Palestinian Authority Documents” and refers to Palestinians as “individuals attempting to travel on PA-issued or endorsed travel documents”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Update on Palestine Action court antics

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2025/12/hunger-strikes-and-court-cases/

    My favourite moment in the English judicial review was when Raza Hussain quoted the Proscription Advisory Committee’s recommendation to Yvette Cooper that Palestine Action should be proscribed because “Palestine Action kept hiring good lawyers” and defendants kept being acquitted as it was difficult to prove guilt to the criminal standard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,120 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I wonder what posts on social media will be grounds for exclusion under this new US visa waiver proposal?

    US Customs and Border Protection “is adding social media as a mandatory data element” as part of the screening process for travellers entering the US under the Visa Waiver Program, according to a Department of Homeland Security notice posted on Wednesday. The proposal, which includes those from Ireland, the UK, Australia, Germany, Japan and the UK who can now enter without a visa, was given a 60-day notice with requests for comments.

    People from these countries planning to visit the U.S. would be asked to provide five years of their social media history; email addresses used in the past 10 years; telephone numbers used in the past five years; and information about family members, including their addresses and telephone numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,120 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    It’s not hard to foresee a day when Israel will seal off the West Bank from all outsiders who might report what they see:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,544 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The British are believed to have surveillance from that day that captured what happened, but for some reason won't release it . I wonder why



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭TokTik


    I see netenyahu is now threatening Europe. Basically, stop people criticising israel or there will be consequences.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Sure just close down the thread. Google will help us, discussion over.

    It's an interesting topic of discussion around the claim Israel fund HAMAS. Did HAMAS know they were walking into a trap or is it more nefarious then that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I'm not closing anything down.

    I answered your initial questions but I'm not a "research assistant" at the beck and call of anyone with a question who then gets offended when I suggest they go found out themselves.

    If I find a particular topic interests me, I go research it and then have a debate/discussion with people who might be interested in having said debate/discussion.

    You might do the same?

    Oh, and by the way, that Israel funded Hamas is not a claim - it is a fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Unsurprising threats from an alleged War Criminal (at large).

    I'd suggest Western Governments take a leaf out of his book - totally ignore the request. Just like he has totally ignored the UN, the ICC, the ICJ and International Law.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,069 ✭✭✭crusd


    We have been told Irelands stance on Israel / Palestine would result in US companies taking a negative view on Ireland and damage investment.

    Boston Scientific moves part of Israeli operation to Ireland | Business Post



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The need for justice and civilised nations will not go away.

    A European Parliament lawmaker has formally nominated UN Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestinian Territories Francesca Albanese, along with doctors working in Gaza, for the 2026 Nobel Peace Prize.

    The move was publicly announced on Tuesday by Slovenian MEP Matjaz Nemec, following the submission of the nomination to the Norwegian Nobel Committee.

    In a statement posted on X, Nemec said the nomination was endorsed by nearly 300 eligible proposers from 33 countries, including Brazil, South Africa, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I haven't verified this so called fact neither has proof been provided so it's still a claim regarding this discussion. A claim I believe however so no need to be my research assistant.

    I think I raise some interesting questions on this topic. If anyone has delved deeper into the motives behind HAMAS potentially knowingly accepting Israeli funding let me know.

    Edit:

    Did a quick Google and I'm not sure money was coming from the Israelis own pockets to HAMAS. Are you talking about Qatari funding via Israel?

    From Google:

    "Hamas was fully aware that the Qatari funds entering Gaza were facilitated, approved, and often physically escorted through Israeli territory by Israel.From 2018 onward, Israel explicitly permitted and coordinated the transfer of hundreds of millions of dollars from Qatar to Gaza, including monthly payments of around $30 million, often delivered in cash suitcases crossing Israeli borders. This arrangement was not secret; it was publicly discussed in Israeli media and involved direct negotiations."

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    June last year:

    "Intel is halting the expansion of a major factory project in Israel, which was slated to pump an extra $15 billion toward a chip plant."

    I'd be sure that all international companies doing business in Israel are currently reviewing their positions - and not in the sense of expansion or investment. Apart from military suppliers of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I haven't verified this so called fact neither has proof been provided

    Hmmm - well, I did point you to check out previous posts here that deal with the subject extensively and provided proof.

    But sure, you go ahead and verify it for yourself. Everyone else here is aware of the facts.

    I think I raise some interesting questions on this topic

    Delighted for you. I'm looking forward to the discussion you'll be having with yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    If you scroll back through this thread your earlier reply no longer makes much sense.

    "No idea about the use of "civilian infrastructure" but we do know that Israel built many of the "tunnels" and that they funded Hamas."

    I'm starting to see why you're reluctant to be my research assistant now because after very little digging it looks like it was Qatar who were funding HAMAS and Israel were just facilitating the transfer of funds.

    They didn't actually fund HAMAS like they would a proxy did they? Part of me wanted to believe that because we all know how sneaky the Israelis are but without proof I can't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Expand your research then. The data is there.

    In recent years, Israel facilitated Qatari cash reaching Hamas as you have discovered. That "facilitation" alone could be seen as Israel funding Hamas but I understand that technically, Israel did not hand over their own money to some blokes wearing green headbands. That they wanted Hamas to be funded is enough for most people though.

    If you look further back, Israel did in fact have a direct budget for funding the precursor of Hamas. But also this from Wikipedia:

    "In1998, İşbaşaran revealed that Netanyahu suggested Turkey support Hamas. Netanyahu reportedly said, "Hamas also has bank accounts for aid in banks, we help them too, you [Turkey] can help too."

    In a cable leaked by Wikileaks in 2010, Amos Yadlin, former general of the Israeli Air Force, said in 2007 that Israel would be "happy" if Hamas take over Gaza and regarded it as a positive step, so they could treat Gaza as a hostile state."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Yeah happy HAMAS are getting funding and sowing the seeds of their destruction is very different then Israel giving their own money. What's that favourite Ukrainian saying, never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake and we're lucky they're so **** stupid. I'd love to know the average IQ of a HAMAS soldier. Talk about brain dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Well it seems unfortunately that's what Israel thought too - to their detriment and the detriment of those Israelis murdered by the terrorists. I'd imagine they are now well aware that Hamas were anything but "brain dead".

    Pretty foolish of anyone to consider them "brain dead".

    "Never underestimate your enemy".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Good to see our new President being supportive of Gaza.

    "Ms Thunberg's visit coincides with her participation in An Evening of Words and Songs for Gaza, to be held tomorrow at Dalymount Park."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭freebritney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems the Israel-US honeymoon period is definitely over:

    Haaretz opinion piece:

    "In all the key issues related to shaping 'the new Middle East' and reaping the fruits of the recent war, Israel now seems like a subcontractor for American policy that is being told to sit quietly and do what it is told.

    'Palestine' and 'the two-state solution' are no longer dirty words or an 'antisemitic' hobby for Israel haters.

    Trump, with his own pen and his own spiky signature, entrenched this solution as an inseparable part of his plan, and he really isn't moved by Israel's belly-aching"

    Zvi Bar'el



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    UK Police cracking down on posters and placards. I imagine Janey Godley turning in her grave. The Police Officer who gave her a high five will also probably be disappointed.

    Haaretz:

    British police said they would take tougher action against people who use placards and chants such as "Globalize the intifada" that target the Jewish community, saying recent violent incidents, referring to the Sydney attack, had changed the context around such protests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Funny how things turn out. Israel attacks a Qatari location and here we are.

    Haaretz opinion piece:

    "Credit where credit is due: It is almost impossible to imagine that there would be a cease-fire right now in Gaza were it not for the pressure that Qatar was able to exert upon the Trump administration.

    Many in the international community, if it is still possible to speak of such a thing, are not wrong that the emergence of Qatar as a countervailing diplomatic force means that it might succeed in helping reach a final status resolution to the conflict in Israel-Palestine.

    Yet the ascendance of the Gulf – symbolized perhaps most clearly by Qatar's rise – remains a grim marker of our times.

    Kings and royal families were supposed to be a thing of the past; instead, as the Gulf model goes global, they have become a harbinger of the future"

    Joshua Leifer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    What ceasefire? They shooting at themselves?

    Haaretz:

    Qatari channel Al Araby reported that Israeli shelling had wounded 11 people, one of them critically, in central Gaza City.

    The IDF said a mortar shell was fired and landed off-target during operations "in the area of the Yellow Line," that it was aware of reports of casualties and was investigating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,120 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Israeli diplomacy in action: blackmail, bribes, bullets and bombs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,183 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The UK govt and police are dancing to Israeli propaganda…. again



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Hamas was this militia group when Israel was funding it. Israel supported Hamas as opposition to the Palestinian Authority.

    https://www.newarab.com/news/gaza-militia-leader-says-israel-funds-feeds-protects-his-group



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