Orange is the new Burke

Peregrinus · 17-12-2025 08:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124076145#Comment_124076145

Yes. But he will have spent much of the pay he received between the time he was suspended and the time his pay was sequestered. Presumable the roughly €40k that they seized from his bank account is the difference between what he was paid, and what he spent. It follows that the rest of it is gone. Realistically, you can't get it back now. For further enforcement, you're chasing his future earnings, and I have a hunch that those will not be large.

Peregrinus · 17-12-2025 09:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124076145#Comment_124076145

Yes, he would have earned more than 40k in that period. But he would also have bought some groceries in that period, and incurred other living expenses.

The 40k was what was left over of his earnings. That was seized. Pretty much by definition, they couldn't seize the part of his earnings that he had already spent, and they can't seize it now. Hence the suggested "clawing back" of his earnings isn't possible, beyond what has already been done. Whatever other mechanisms might be effective to collect the outstanding fines he has incurred, this definitely won't be, and any attempt to pursue it would be throwing good money after bad.

chooseusername · 17-12-2025 09:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124076152#Comment_124076152

The 40k was all he had in his bank account at the time. They would have taken multiples of that amount, if he had it, to pay the fines and costs that had accrued by then.

youtheman · 17-12-2025 09:37AM

If they can threaten to confiscate the family cars used to transport him to the scene of the crime, why can they not confiscate or divert his ongoing wages?. Just wondering!.

DmanDmythDledge · 17-12-2025 09:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124076213#Comment_124076213

They have.

Penn · 17-12-2025 09:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124076213#Comment_124076213

They have. They initially weren't when it was just fines for contempt, but I think considering the costs which were being incurred by the school with regards legal fees and security, the judge then ordered that his assets (ie. money in the bank from his savings and earnings) start to be used to recover those costs.

The confiscation of the cars would just be a measure to prevent him being transported to the school (even though he doesn't own them, the owners are knowingly and repeatedly using them to help him breach a court order), not being seized as assets.

Mr_A · 17-12-2025 01:11PM

AG says not taking criminal contempt proceedings against four Burke family members

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2025/1217/1549460-burke-family-members-court/

"no practical benefit" to taking it forward against Enoch himself and a sense that giving more court time to the others would not be productive

aloyisious · 17-12-2025 01:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124076728#Comment_124076728

There is the cautious inclusion of the words "at this time" in the AG's statement when it comes to the Burke family. They generally don't give advance warning of their "pop-up" street activities to people, only their edited videos versions of what they did and how their actions were responded to by the various officers of the state.

The AG is proceeding with due caution in handling the thorny problem of the Burkes involved with EB in his disturbing behaviour towards Ireland at large. So far, they have not zeroed in on him and his office keeping their ire for the various judges getting up their orifices.

Kilteragh · 17-12-2025 01:53PM

Also from today's Irish Times:

The court also heard that a disciplinary appeals panel heard Mr Burke’s appeal against his dismissal on Saturday and will give its decision within 10 school days, which means it could be after Christmas.

Penn · 17-12-2025 01:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124076728#Comment_124076728

As I saw someone else say, wonder if the AG would have taken the same position if they had been from a poorer or less public-facing family.

The Burkes can complain about how they and Enoch have been treated, but the fact remains they have been given extraordinary leeway throughout.

Quin_Dub · 17-12-2025 02:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124075643#Comment_124075643

Well , yes sort of.

But this time it would be a fixed term for a specific offence rather than the current open ended contempt confinements.

He trespasses , gets arrested , charged and found guilty in court and goes to jail for 3 months (or whatever the sentence guidelines suggest).

The other element of that is that he would then have a criminal record with everything that that brings with it. Despite having spent ~18 months in Prison at this stage he technically doesn't have a criminal record as he's not been convicted of anything yet.

chooseusername · 17-12-2025 03:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124076846#Comment_124076846

“Within 10 school days” so probably on the day the school breaks up, too late for him to attend school. Home for Christmas and time to reflect. But he’ll be back, mark my words. He hasn’t accepted the suspension. He hasn’t accepted the dismissal and he won’t accept the appeal decision when it goes against him, which it surely will. He probably won’t be allowed to trespass, but will be happy to stay outside the school gate to avoid breaching the court order.

Pentecost · 17-12-2025 06:02PM

Assuming he gets out at some stage he can stay outside the gates protesting every day until he's 65 and there's little could be done about it really, unless he's otherwise interfering with school operations. With anyone else you'd think they'd eventually want to move on with their life in some way but it seems unlikely in this instance.

PeadarCo · 17-12-2025 06:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124077238#Comment_124077238

Very stupid question.

What's the long term plan here?

Enoch is not against "transgenderism", if he was, he would have followed the formal legal route in his dispute. He also had no issue with a previous transgender student in the school according to a former principal. I only assume it wasn't a culture war topic at the time.

The situation is surreal. Assuming his appeal fails is he really going to act like it never happened? He can't stand outside the school for the rest of his working life. Does he really think that one day he'll wake up and everyone will agree with him? I appreciate you can't argue with fanatics.

Oscar_Madison · 17-12-2025 06:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124076728#Comment_124076728

I’m inclined to agree- as the AG pointed out the judge and indeed the Gardai have powers already if they choose to use them- it would be a complete waste of time and resources to progress with charges on the family - just take back control in the courtroom - if they resit Gardai they can be arrested and sent to court - that’s a much better way to deal with them - if they want to go to jail on the basis of a convection however minor, they’ll end up there eventually with their carry on .

Oscar_Madison · 17-12-2025 06:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124077624#Comment_124077624

The day will come when he won’t have a lift or whatever - once he’s formally kicked out of the school and he stops being paid (even though he’s not getting the money)- I’d say he’ll end his protest at the school at that point - he can no longer claim to be employed so he’ll just look like a bigger wierdo than he currently does , hanging around a school he has no business to be in- arrest and criminal charges will likely be easier to implement at that point

Pentecost · 17-12-2025 06:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124077657#Comment_124077657

True. Hard to do any driving lessons when you're either in prison or standing outside a school all day.

ohnonotgmail · 17-12-2025 07:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124077238#Comment_124077238

I can't see the judge letting him out again for his Christmas holidays.

Hotblack Desiato · 17-12-2025 07:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124076728#Comment_124076728

Seems strange that the AG is getting involved, surely the decision on whether to bring a criminal charge rests with the DPP?

Esel · 17-12-2025 07:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124077817#Comment_124077817

The judge asked the AG to institute criminal contempt charges.

ohnonotgmail · 17-12-2025 09:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124077889#Comment_124077889

That isn't their role. They advise the government on issues around the constitution. It is the job of the DPP to institute criminal proceedings.

Ardillaun · 17-12-2025 09:46PM

Why do these weirdos excite such interest?

Esel · 17-12-2025 10:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124078118#Comment_124078118

Sorry, it must have been the DPP he asked then.

I thought it odd at the time.

kneemos · 17-12-2025 10:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124078132#Comment_124078132

They're a bit Fr Ted in fairness. There's the more serious issue of what do you do with someone that doesn't have any regard for the law,not unusual I suppose the prisons are full of such folk.

chooseusername · 17-12-2025 10:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124078208#Comment_124078208

You were right, it was Senior counsel Rossa Fanning, the Attorney General, not the DPP that Judge Cregan asked. Cregan is not happy, he might take it further himself.
Sorry can’t link the RTE article.

Grayson · 18-12-2025 12:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124078132#Comment_124078132

Because they're weirdos? Because the situation is weird?

Mefistofelino · 18-12-2025 01:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124078296#Comment_124078296

This is what Cregan wrote in his judgement of 18th November:

Others with legal expertise may be able to clarify if "contempt in the face of court" is handled by the DPP or if it is dealt with "within" the courts.