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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,064 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If you knew what algorithms do you would not make such an ignorant post.
    You want to randomly find out what others are saying, which to be honest comes across in your posting. Imagine thinking Eir's renaming was akin to the renaming of the RUC…..whoosh! 🙄

    You don't even know how people use Boards.ie if you think somebody is on it for 60 to 70 hours a week. 😁

    Bryon says much more than that and is a supporter of still active paramilitary groups.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,064 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    We have truly entered the Twilight Zone with that post. If you were on Facebook I would follow for the giggles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,550 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You have close to 80,000 posts on boards.ie under FrancieBrady alone and as a mod pointed out you use(d) other names on boards.ie to post under too, so you are as closer to 24/7 on boards.ie than most if not all other posters, certainly on political and current affairs matters.

    I do not care what football team Bryson supports. You say he is a supporter of still active paramilitary groups….seeing as you have a lot of time on your hands it would be interesting if you drew up a list of "still active paramilitary groups" and which politicians support which. Does you know who still support the group "that has'nt gone away y'know" as he once famously described them? Of course he said he never was a member.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,064 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,550 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    And neither you or your RTE link, surprisingly enough, mention that intelligence assessments from the mid-2010s, which reportedly remain current, indicate the Provisional IRA's Army Council structures still exist. Yes we know the PIRA declared an end to its armed campaign, but official reports suggest its leadership structures and departments persist, guiding Sinn Féin's political path. Who was it that said "They haven't gone away you know"? 

    Anyway, the point was, before you diverted:

    Bryson justs says how some Republicans are indoctrinated to hate Protestants / people from the PUL community in N.I. As noted before, not an unreasonable observation when you have Republican extremists like "An Cliamh Solais", who have 79,000 followers on facebook alone, making comments about the Protestants that they indulge in a (quote) 

    "campaign of genocide, murder, rape, theft and slaughter against their own close kin, targeting in particular women and children, that put the most grotesque ambitions of the Third Reich to shame".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,064 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The IRA are involved in ‘exclusively peaceful means’ and are adhering to commitments made.

    Also common knowledge.

    Go on Claìomh Solas’ page and debate them. I have no interest in their views



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,550 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You might say now you have "no interest in their views" but they do have 79,000 followers on facebook. And there are lots of similar groups, with some comments sometimes full of hatred, to put it mildly.

    Anyway, what did you think about the article in todays paper (link supplied) about SF "forgetting" to include property in their accounts recently. I suppose you, as a follower of the party, are hardly surprised?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,064 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Argue with the source Francis, they have a page and a comment section.

    I have no interest in them and have not even bothered to follow them.

    I already answered you on SF failing their SIPO declarations.

    I have always said that any party not meeting SIPO's requirements should face sanctions, even though the powers that be refuse to give SIPO the powers they say they require.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,550 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    According to some, Sinn fein owned 19 properties, yet declared only 9 in its most recent return to public office commission? What about pubs,taxi depots,security firms, other residential houses etc? Maybe even shares in the Northern bank?🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,064 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,544 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    https://www.thetimes.com/world/ireland-world/article/border-poll-tax-cost-united-ireland-q2m8z608w

    Interesting Article in The Times a couple of days ago - it's behind a paywall but to summarise, hardly anyone in NI would be willing to pay (even quite small sums )for Irish unity through increased taxation.

    It would be interesting to run the same kind of study in the ROI where I'd imagine the percentage willing to pay would be even smaller.

    I've always said that the minute a politician utters the words 'Unification Tax' on either side of the border, any talks of unification will be quietly shelved for another couple of generations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,064 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Will be a factor of course. Always has been.

    UIers will be selling it as an investment in our futures.

    the UK Unioners will have to convince that staying is in the interests of all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,550 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    And the main party "selling" the idea which they would want people to "invest" in themselves are not transparent enough even to know how many properties they own ( is it 9, 19 or 25) in their accounts? Does not look great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,064 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    There won't be a main party in Ireland 'not' selling a UI as an investment.

    That is the issue partitionists in the south will have, no credible political representation has emerged for them. IMO none will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,550 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Taxes are never an investment. Did the British taxpayer get much of a return on the hundreds of billions of British taxpayers money they "invested" in N.I. this past 10 or 20 years?

    A unificatication tax would never be an investment. The West germans are still paying for east germany, and there there were not 2 sides which would not take too much to spark off in to civil war.

    And the main party "selling" the unity idea in which they would want people to "invest", and the party which would almost certainly be the party in power after unification due to their support on both sides of the border, are themselves not transparent enough even to know how many properties they own ( is it 9, 19 or 25) in their accounts? Laughable.🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,064 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Taxes are never an investment.

    What a load of codswallop.

    Taxes have paid for all of our infrastructure and more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    "Bryson justs says how some Republicans are indoctrinated …"

    Ah would ye cop on to yourself Francis!

    I've already given you the link where he most definitely does not say "some". Indeed he emphasises that he means all when he says

    "all aspects of nationalism/republicanism, even the supposedly ‘softer’ manifestations thereof"

    Remember this isn't some misquote or a slip of the tongue in a spoken-word interview this is a letter that he penned himself and sent to the Irish News for publication.

    It's the very definition of bigotry to tar an entire section of the population with the same brush and if you stand by your words earlier that "it's not an unreasonable observation" the sincerity of your "It is a shame some people cannot just see people as people" comment is very much in doubt.

    Your support of the likes of Bryson is not a good look.

    Bigotry:

    a belief, opinion, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    I don't often find humour in this thread but I have to admit I had a few giggles reading the words "polite and efficient" to describe the RUC! 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Another disappointing poll for the United Irelanders released yesterday by the Belfast telegraph. The little bounce you got from Brexit etc is back on the decline. Just over 1% drop in support for UI.
    SF/DUP combination also projected to have lowest support at next election since 2003.

    if these figures were repeated at an Assembly election, Sinn Féin would record one of their lowest vote shares since the early 2000s

    here’s the shinners recent situation:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,064 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    With a +6% lead and Unionism still devouring itself and an almost 6% rise in support for a UI since 2017 (in the continued absence of a Dáil Eireann plan)and a successful Dáil vote to begin preparing that plan, all is not gloom and doom. The trend is the important thing in polls, not individual polls.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,550 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    "Unionism still devouring itself" you claim? Wise up. The DUP, TUV and UUP have grown their vote share slightly to 41.6% or by 1.5% since last year despite a decline in support for the DUP.

    All the Executive parties are down, apart from the UUP, with the TUV and Greens being the main beneficiaries. 

    40.6% said they would vote for a United Ireland, and 59.4% for remaining in the UK.  The pro UI figure was down 1.2%  No talk of paying for a U.I. in that poll, or the cost or potential risks of a U.I. We know many nationalsts do not want a Republic if it means paying extra tax for it.

    Amazing that many nationalists just whinge that the Irish government won’t begin planning or that the British government won’t hold the poll they want. Maybe if SF were in government they could plan something, but seeing as they themselves not transparent enough even to know how many properties they own ( is it 9, 19 or 25?) in their accounts, I would not have much confidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,550 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    A study which asked how people would vote in a border poll and how much extra tax they would pay finds just 17.5 per cent would pay £5,000 more for unity

    https://www.thetimes.com/world/ireland-world/article/border-poll-tax-cost-united-ireland-q2m8z608w

    I think you will find despite the hundreds of billions of pounds of taxes collected in Ireland over the years, only a very small percentage went towards infra-structure. Most went on social welfare, wages, pensions, maintaining embassies overseas, etc etc. Most of our existing infrastructure was built and paid by the British, and then the EEC / EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,064 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    "Unionism still devouring itself" you claim? Wise up. The DUP, TUV and UUP have grown their vote share slightly to 41.6% or by 1.5% since last year despite a decline in support for the DUP.

    Unionism was meant to be always on top in the partitioned statelet.

    It's devouring itself in the sense that it is fracturing and eating each others vote and they cannot get control.

    In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed person is king or queen is an appropriate comment on your POV

    As regards a UI, the trend in polling is what is important.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,064 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So ensuring your people have a certain standard of living is not investing in them? Lordy, the zeal you apply to self denigration is frightening and darkly funny.

     Most of our existing infrastructure was built and paid by the British,

    Still living in a colonial glow isn't helping your case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,550 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    100 years after partitition and a U.I. is as far away as ever. As regards your comment, "Unionism was meant to be always on top in the partitioned statelet" just shows you are always pointing over the border at "them uns". You might as well say Republicanism was meant to be always on top in the partitioned statelet south of the border.

    Most people in N.I. want to remain part of the UK. Most people in the Republic want to be in the Republic. Thats called democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,550 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Just looking at the reality. You wrote "Taxes have paid for all of our infrastructure and more". My point was " despite the hundreds of billions of pounds of taxes collected in Ireland over the years, only a very small percentage went towards infra-structure. Most went on social welfare, wages, pensions, maintaining embassies overseas, etc etc. Most of our existing infrastructure was built and paid by the British, and then the EEC / EU."

    So if there was a U.I., the 10 or 20 billion per year would mostly go on social welfare, security/policing, pensions, wages etc, not infrastructure. We have difficulty even building a bike shed or a hosptal efficiently and have made a complete **** of it.

    How is your plan for a U.I. coming on? Do not say you have not even started it yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,064 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    We are the EU.
    We understand what the EU is and that it is not some outside colonial power. We knew there would be aid for us and one day we would become net contributors. You and your idols Britain never did understand the deal.


    Your bull about taxes is so hilarious I couldn’t be bothered responding to it.

    But carry on the comedy stance by all means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,550 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You missed the point. If you look at the vast majority of infrastructure here in the Republic, you will see the taxpayers in the "free state" or whatever you want to call it now have paid for very little of it. The vast bulk of our taxes go on social welfare, pensions, wages to our teachers and health service, embassies abroad etc. If you look at the Railways, harbours, lighthouses etc the British built those. Roads? Any new roads and most of our motorways were funded by the EU.

    In a N.I. you say the 10 or 20 billion extra the taxpayer here will have to pat will go as "an investment" on infrastructure in N.I. Dream on.

    Quote : West Belfast has "developed a dependency culture to the point that one in four adults are now in receipt of some form of disability benefit. In the UK, being declared disabled automatically entitles claimants to free cars and west Belfast has the highest levels of this form of free transport provided by the British government under its Disability Living Allowance 'Motability' scheme."

    Not sure, if and when it comes down to it, in the privacy of the ballot box, will many voters in west Belfast vote for a U.I. if it means giving up the free cars from the British government. And paying for doctors here, €60 or 65 a time, a&e €100, VHI thousands etc. But never fear, our taxpayers here can pick up the tab.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,064 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,550 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    When confronted with the facts again you make childish comments like that. And in the previous post you make personal digs eg "You and your idols Britain".

    So predictable when you have lost the argument. Goodnight.



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