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National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,947 ✭✭✭clohamon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    My own island connection is now live, but I'm not near it. Ended up being nine months less one day between pre-order and go live.

    A neighbour is getting 532mbits, not sure what supplier he's on. We're officially on 500mbit max.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ArrBee


    Edit:
    I found an email address for NBI to send a pic to.

    I've noticed that the extra cable at the DP is a mess.

    It used to be neatly wound around the case at the pole, but since the neighbors install was done, a lot of it is hanging loose and looks like it could become a problem during a storm.

    Is there a number for NBI that I can call? or do I have to try and convince my ISP to make that call?

    Post edited by ArrBee on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,492 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    But the senior civil servants that constructed and oversaw the procurement process, notably Fergal Mulligan at the Department of Communications (who is now a commissioner at the utility regulator), stuck out the process, insisting that it was the best chance for a long-term, efficient, deliverable network.


    Successive governments agreed and saw it out.

    Another civil servant, Mark Griffin, then Secretary General, Department of Environment, Climate and Communications, deserves a notable mention here.

    He kept the NBP train on track in his Dept and pushed back against fellow Secretary General Robert Watt, formerly of the Department of Public Expenditure who basically said the NBP was a waste of money.

    I still remember this comment during a PAC committee discussion

    I would much prefer to spend money efficiently than just to spend it. The view was taken on the work that was to be funded from the Vote in 2016 that we had not progressed aspects of it by the end of the year. However, the spend would have been recouped at the start of 2017. I take the Deputy's point on this issue. I have a brother who lives in Kilcreevanty outside Tuam who berates me about this project every time he sees me and another fellow who lives in Ballycommon outside Nenagh. Both of them work in the information technology sector and both are without access to high speed broadband once they leave their workplaces. However, we are seeing progress.

    COMMITTEE OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTS debate - Thursday, 9 Nov 2017

    I remembering watching the discussion and that particular comment stood out. It was two years before the signing of the contract and the Oireachtas was still arguing over 5G vs. fibre.

    I knew then this person understood the importance of the National Broadband Plan for rural Ireland as he has family there and wasn't looking at it thru urban glasses. He retired from the job just over two years ago.

    Also this comment from him in 2016

    I have nieces and nephews, brothers and sisters who live down the country. I assure the Deputy that I get it in the ear every time I meet one of them as regards the appalling state of the broadband infrastructure as soon as one moves outside the small towns.

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/committee_of_public_accounts/2016-01-28/5/

    One other person deserves a mention, Éamon Ó Cuív TD. When certain other members of his party were delaying a final decision on the plan his knowledge of the technology and reasons for the plan was impressive when discussion was taking place in the Oireachtas committees.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,492 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    From a SBP article prior to the signing of the contract

    Clash of the civil servants lays bare an urban-rural split

    Michael Brennan
    May 12, 2019

    Mark Griffin, from Galway, defended rural broadband

    Dubliner Robert Watt is strongly opposed to the NBP

    In simple terms, the broadband contract has witnessed a battle between an urban-born civil servant and a rural one. Department of Public Expenditure and Reform secretary general Robert Watt, who has outlined his trenchant opposition to the €3 billion deal, is from Dublin. Department of Communications secretary general Mark Griffin, who is equally adamant that it is value for money, is from Galway city.

    In simple terms, the broadband contract has witnessed a battle between an urban-born civil servant and a rural one. Department of Public Expenditure and Reform secretary general Robert Watt, who has outlined his trenchant opposition to the €3 billion deal, is from Dublin. Department of Communications secretary general Mark Griffin, who is equally adamant that it is value for money, is from Galway city.

    Griffin has spoken publicly about the importance of bringing broadband to rural Ireland. Indeed, he has a brother living in Kilcreevanty, outside Tuam who, he says, has constantly asked him what he is doing to sort out the problem. Griffin is known to be extremely irritated by the implication that only the Department of Public Expenditure cares about value for money. He laid out his case for the defence of the broadband deal, which he and his officials have spent so long working on, in a 25-page letter to Watt.

    It was politely written, but was full of rebuttals of Watt’s claim that the deal was a “leap of faith”.

    Griffin previously worked in the Department of Environment, where he was in charge of the water division during the early days of setting up Irish Water and planning for water charges.

    He was highly regarded, which is why he got promoted to his current job as the most senior civil servant in the Department of Communications.

    Watt is a very unconventional civil servant who joined from the economic consultancy Indecon. An economist by profession, he has never been afraid to voice his opinions, which has been a healthy change for a civil service which was far too deferential to ministers during the Celtic Tiger years.

    He had a public row about the economy with Father Sean Healy of Cori at a forum in Dublin Castle in 2017, and got slapped down last year for suggesting that pensioners make a financial contribution to the free travel scheme.

    There is considerable annoyance with Watt within the government, despite Taoiseach Leo Varadkar’s insistence that he respects Watt’s right to speak out. One government source commented privately that Watt had been a great secretary general “during the economic crisis”.

    That sort of talk is unlikely to bother Watt. The government gave him a three-year extension last year, meaning he will have served ten years at the head of the department by the time he finishes up in 2021.

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    Mark Griffin, from Galway, defended rural broadband

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    Dubliner Robert Watt is strongly opposed to the NBP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,492 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    NBI CEO TJ Malone just on Morning Ireland's business segment discussing the rollout.

    440k premises now passed, 20k more than it end of 2025 target.

    Completion date back to original target date, the 8.5 month extension due to COVID will not be required.

    Number of premises included in IAs is 30k more than was originally part of the rollout when the contract was signed back in late 2019

    Overall cost of the NBP over the 25 year contract approx €4.4bn with the state subsidy contributing between €2.1bn and €2.6bn of that figure over the lifetime of the contract.

    Post edited by The Cush on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,947 ✭✭✭clohamon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    Looks like they're changing the model of the ONT (very slightly)

    Screenshot 2025-12-08 at 09-48-15 NBI Bitstream and VUA Product Technical Manual v2.4 (Redline)-1.pdf.png

    Moving from the Q to an R variant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Seems to be basically identical but with fractionally lower power consumption.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭KLF


    Relevant question with the storm. Who is responsible for lines down? Does it differ for the road vs private property?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,492 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    NBI owns the lines all the way to the ONT .

    The ONT is the network demarcation point. Anything beyond that is the customer's or ISP responsibility



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Tommy Lagahan


    Finally some movement up my cul de sac, boys were out digging trenches and burying the duct there yesterday. Wandered down to chat to one of them, apparently it was direct buried cable the whole way from the spot the Eir rollout stopped at the start of the cul de sac, probably why they didn't bother back then. They started at the top of the hill and are working down oddly enough.

    At least now I can see duct sticking out of the ground ~150m away from the house rather than a DP 1.1KM away this years.
    Poles from there to the house, one of the lads said it was down to the ISP to do the pole work? Hardly? There is old Eir poles there alright but its DBC between their end point and the first pole of 3 that go to my house. Poles are fairly knackered too.

    Apparently Ballybofey DA has to be done before Donegal since the regional connection (cant mind the name of it) is in Letterkenny. Reckoned it should be live next summer some time, fingers crossed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 749 ✭✭✭Dero


    We have our second (storm related) outage today since we went live in May 2024. It's annoying, but that's not bad all things considered. I've reported it to the ISP, who will hopefully chase up NBI. In any event, storm damage is a fact of rural life and I can't affect it, so I just have to be Zen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,492 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    New poles are NBI infrastructure and they're tagged as such. They installed a few new poles around here during the rollout.

    Just goes to show these lads know less than we do.

    Letterkenny is one of 33 Regional Exchanges or Points of Handover (PoH) directly connected back to data centres in Dublin. Local exchanges connect to the regional exchange via a high capacity fibre ring network with built-in redundancy if part of the loop fails.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    "Anticipated date for connection:October 2025 - December 2025"

    Me thinks Christmas will come and go without a connection 😏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ArrBee


    so just a wee update if anyone was interested…

    I got a response from NBI. they were way more professional than I was expecting them to be (considering I am an end customer).
    They logged a work order and came and fixed up the pole/DP pretty quick. Hopefully it is less likely to cause an outage during the next storm!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,919 ✭✭✭✭con747


    Just want to thank all who answered my questions here, I just had it turned on earlier and after a bit of a nightmare with connecting all the tech devices even though we used the SSID and Password of the old router some devices just wouldn't connect but we got there in the end somehow. So now just to hope it lasts longer than the old lines during storms. Anyway, decent enough speeds for my package 400/500 download and 50/60 upload is a far cry from my 10ish download and 2ish upload.

    Installation was supposed to be January 26 to December 26 so a nice Christmas present. Have a good 1 all.

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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,983 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeloe


    Got an email over the weekend, my originally estimated connection date was Oct26 to Dec26.

    New updated dates are Jan-April 26.

    Be great to have this installed before the summer. woohoo



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,983 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeloe


    First day back in work, pleasantly surprised to see that i'm now available for pre order.

    Anyone suggest the best company to go with?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,882 ✭✭✭✭listermint




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭baz9375


    100% recommend Arden broadband. Service and customer support is second to none.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,882 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Whilst NBP Ireland has changed to order now. Hitting the fibre providers my address is still 5g only. Indicates a delay or mismatch in data.

    Anyone have this delay before ? Did it resolve itself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Bummer1234


    yea will take a few days I found,Sky were instant for me but eir took about a week,others were similar to eir.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,983 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeloe


    A few are showing availabe for me, but a few are also saying not there yet.

    Gonna give it another few days and see whats what.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Tommy Lagahan


    I got the opposite today, was Jul-Dec 26 now its Oct-Dec 26. Feckin knew I'd be among the last to be dragged out of wireless hell



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,983 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeloe


    Ended up pre ordering with PureTelecom in the end, 1000mb down, 100mb up for 40 per month.

    Even as good as Starlink is, i won't know myself with that much bandwidth.

    Think i might treat myself to a new mesh set up for the house too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,882 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Any reason to avoid Sky it's 35 pm 12 month for 1gb. Is there something I'm missing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭EarWig


    It jumps to 70 after 12 months.

    I found it impossible to get deals when 12 months were up, and their system for contacting them is extremely frustrating.

    It's been a while since I was a customer, so maybe it's got better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,882 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Ya but I would just jump after 12 tbh.

    Any problems with their equipment? Setup ?



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