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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,502 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Funny thing is the UK barely have an army or military anymore.


    Relying on them isn’t the best idea.

    We really are sitting ducks. The whole world now knows Ireland have no way of defending themselves and they aren’t in NATO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,710 ✭✭✭yagan


    Where's the text of this alleged pact? When was it signed, who signed it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,061 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    How Russia works.

    And seemingly Облагодарить is the word.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Fascinating.This is one of the comments under the video and commentary.

    "I have a Russian friend who moved here to the US and was almost immediately arrested for trying to bribe a police officer. He was so confused. He told me later "I don't know why he arrested me! Maybe he wanted more?" I had to explain to him that bribery is frowned upon..."

    If Trump continues his infestation maybe the US police will be more "understanding " eventually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,061 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    There's also a reply from the other side in Americans wondering how much each thing takes to bribe so they can go and do business in Russia.

    Now wonder Trump loves them and Putin if they are continually bribing him with gifts. He thinks it's politeness. When it's just Облагодарить - give thanks.

    See the other comments about buying an apartment in Moscow and the well dressed men arrive at the door offering their services.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    It is a “Memorandum of Understanding”, signed 2015, revised 2025 for renewal in 2026. Signatories in 2015 were Michael Fallon and Simon Coveney, at the time the two Ministers of Defence for the two countries. The exact text seems to be restricted, which is probably why there is a legal case working its way through the Irish courts to find out what it says.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,219 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    War is profitable for the criminals who run Russia. It’s a good thing for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I have mixed feelings on this. Do we want hostile states knowing what we will do if they attack us? De Valera had a secret agreement with the British that if Germany invaded, we would invite them in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The kupyansk news even though it was delayed due to opsec is incredible. If that half of the city really fell it would have painted a dire situation. There's no way Russia should ever be able to cross that river and take it from the Ukrainian side. Thankfully it turned out to be the best case scenario. Ukraine likely let thousands cross and fought them while they couldn't be resupplied. Tactical success on the battlefield. Well done Ukraine a bit of good news to end a difficult year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Belarus releases 123 political prisoners as US lifts sanctions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭somenergy


    Lifting sanctions on Belarus is stabbing Ukraine & Europe in the back and creating another route Russia can bypass sanctions and another gift to his hero putin

    Belarus has been used to attack Ukraine and was an original launchpad for the invasion.

    This is been directed by putin to his devotee in WH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭zv2


    No doubt the release of prisoners is connected to the lifting of sanctions.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,384 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    it’s funny how life has a habit of reminding you it still goes on…… even during war.

    On the night of September 10th, Kiev was rocked by Russian drones, like most other nights… there were explosions, and there was damage and I’m sure some people were injured…

    IMG_8124.jpeg

    Yet that morning, the workers in the Konti chocolate factory still came to work, and still made these chocolates, which now sit on my kitchen table, arriving here via Lithuania..

    IMG_8122.jpeg

    Anyway, war goes on, but so does life…


    Do you know anyone that works in a chocolate factory?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Field east


    this deal is further clarification of WHO TTUMP really is eg

    (1). He does not give a sh-t about Ukr

    (2) he is TOTALLY TRANSACTIONAL in everything he does

    (3) The release is another deflection

    (4) the release is another contradiction/ a perverse action/ two totally disconnected events

    Questions I have:-
    (A)Trump could have done a deal with Luk re import of potash without getting anyone released. It would have been to both an advantage. Why did he not import from Canada?

    (B)What about the crimes that those released committed - re drug traffickers, ;criminals , ;protesters against Luc’s government with a view to toppling it; rapists, scammers; wife beaters; corruption charges, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Are they now free to challenge the Bel gov again , etc,etc, and can they be rearrested , eliminated. The fact that they were flown out of Bel in no way means that they will stop doing the activities that they were arrested for in the first place

    I am reminded of the time Luc ‘ guaranteed’ the safety of Pregozin after he had threatened to ‘Overrun Moscow’ only to die in a plane crash along with his ‘case of wine’
    ( C) Why would Trump seek the release of these 100+ detainees in Bel jails anyway. If there were , say, only 5 of them Americans would that not have ‘been enough’?


    The mind boggles yet again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Not sure if posted but the Russian plane that fell out of the sky the other day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,669 ✭✭✭Patrick2010




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It shows how much Putin and the Russians are in his ear. He's very much in touch with Kremlin talking points and believes most of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,876 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I thought this peace effort would go the way of the others, but it sounds like Ukraine might be caving. I think it would be a mistake and I doubt Ukraines armed forces will be happy, but the cowardly leaders of Europe may be leaving Ukraine with no other options.

    I'm hoping Putrid will be his usual unreasonable self and scupper it.

    ❗️ Zelensky spoke with the media on his way to Berlin

    Main statements:

    🔹He has not yet received a response from the USA to the proposals for a peace plan. But the dialogue will begin today.

    🔹The peace plan will not please everyone, there are certainly many compromises.

    🔹If the USA wants to end this war, Russia must compromise.

    🔹At the end of the 20-point framework plan, there is a mention of a ceasefire.

    🔹Regarding Donbass - the issue is heated. We are advancing the "stand our ground" position, the Russians want us to withdraw. America proposes that we withdraw and that Russian troops not enter.

    🔹If peace efforts fail, we need to pull ourselves together and find another path.

    🔹Ukraine has already made a compromise on security guarantees. Instead of NATO membership, there could be bilateral guarantees.

    🔹All candidates are ready to head the President's Office. But I haven't decided yet.

    🔹Belarus did not want to transfer all political prisoners through the EU. I supported the transfer through Ukraine.

    🔹MPs should soon work out options for holding elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,705 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    On (B) I thought they are people that Belarus arrested for protesting against the govt. when Lukashenka fiddled with the last election and remained in power i.e. not common criminals.

    They can continue to oppose the govt. from abroad of course, but I would doubt they will be let back in again to make more trouble for him.

    If they do get an idea to try and return anyway, would say they run a risk of being arrested and murdered this time, ala what Putin did to Navalny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Many observers of Russia feel that Putin is bluffing and has zero intention of signing any form of 'peace deal'. If he wanted to end the war, he could do it relatively quickly. Difficult to see how he could spin a peace agreement as a success, given that he claims to be winning the war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Field east


    I assume that Luc would have no problem in ‘getting rid of anyone he does not like be they living in Belarus or elsewhere. He could ‘contract ‘ the operation out to Putin’s men , find out how that ‘ bottle of perfume ‘ worked, etc , etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.. I expect that Putin has many other methods in his ‘ playbook’ that are as easily affective!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,705 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    True, but can't see Russia being bothered enough about Belarusian opposition to have some of them murdered abroad.

    He (Putin) might even think they are handy in the background (but safely abroad) keeping Lukashenka worried and in his debt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Infini


    Also because of that Orange Bollocks being an idiot as usual along with his incompetent and malicious administration, Zelenskyy probably has to at least put up with entertaining his notions to stall for time at least till those thick bricks in the White House realise that no agreement with Russia is worth the paper its written on, Putin isnt going to look for peace because his life is entirely tied to this war, he committed himself to either conquering Ukraine or Russia losing the war along with his life. Realistically the best chance of Ukraine winning is causing so much corrosive damage to the Russian Economy that it collapses under the strain and cripples everything including the Vatnik War Machine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,710 ✭✭✭yagan


    The cta has a memorandum of understanding between the respective governments involved, but there's nothing is legally binding, just as there's nothing binding between the UK and Ireland regarding air defense.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Which would make it the worst of both worlds.

    "You have our permission to defend us if it's in your interests and you feel like it" will violate principles of neutrality by offloading defense responsibility to another power, without the practical security result which a binding guarantee would provide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,061 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Putin's grip on the Russian media.

    Financial holes in authorities budgets. 200 years ago were the Decemberists. 100 years ago they were considered heroes in the Revolution. Today revolution is a dirty word and Putin considers them bad people who were stupid for going against authority.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,173 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Crashed about 200Km northeast of Moscow. It crashed during a post-repair flight test. The last airworthy An-22.

    Last year they were trying to bring some mothballed An-124's back into service and there's the Il-76's but heavy lift capability is suffering attrition and maybe shortages are affecting repairs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭midlander12


    We are in a world now where the US is voting with China, Russia in the UN.

    Yes, some people have been remarkably slow to keep up with what's happening. It's funny to see PBP & co effectively on teh same side as Trump, though of course they'd clutch their pearls into smithereens before they'd admit it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭midlander12


    I think the Ukrainians are bluffing - appearing to move towards a deal in the knowledge that no matter what it is, Putin will always back out in the end because it'll never be enough. I'm hoping that's the case anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,061 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    And it's not as if Russia and China became like the US in thought. But the US under Trump became like Russia and China in thought.



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