Israel/Palestine Thread

@volchitsa, you keep dodging but I was hoping you would be able to explain why you are so comfortable dragging Jews worldwide into complicity for the warcrimes of the Israeli politicians and military, when they have no hand act or part in it?

Because it is wholly obvious to many here that the good name and safety of these communities means that little to you that you would cynically try to use them to, I can only surmise, shield Israeli war criminals from accountability and justice. It is bizarre.

One of the main tenets of antisemitism is assigning crimes to Jews as a group, I think we all know this.

That is exactly what you are doing when you tell us that opposition to Israeli warcrimes/ genocide is antisemetic - you are collectivising these awful crimes not as Israeli, but as Jewish crimes, which is an actual blood libel.

Do you not understand how this rhetoric in itself is hugely antisemetic?

Didn’t you do the exact same to @dmcdona just a few posts ago that you’re claiming is happening to you?

Does this mean that you’re not arguing in good faith also?

Worth noting that despite the so called 'ceasefire', nothing has changed in the interim. Israel are still pursuing their apartheid policies, killing Palestinian civilians regularly, discriminating against them etc. There has been no change in direction and the 'Palestinian question' hasn't been addressed by them at all.

You shouldn't mistake my not bothering to engage with every single claim from that poster as me accepting them to be true.

You tell me what you think these posts were about?

And that's only three. There are plenty more. Nobody denies there were Israelis killed in "friendly fire", when the IDF command was entirely out of contact with all of southern Israel for several hours during the attack - so given that the Amnesty report is clear that the vast majority of those killed that day were murdered by Palestinians (not just Hamas, TBH, ordinary "innocent" Gazan civilians seem if anything to have been more eager to rape and murder than Hamas militants.

I gave an example in that very post! You claimed Ireland to be amongst the most antisemetic in the world, which is by every metric untrue and not backed up the data, or by our history.

The only reason you could possibly engage in this is because of Irelands criticism and legal view of Israeli warcrimes and genocide of civilians - there can be no other reason.

If Ireland is antisemetic for engaging in and robust criticism of a country engaging in ethnic cleansing, or as many claim genocide, you are attributing those crimes to the Jews collectively, or else it couldn't be antisemetic.

Do you genuinely not understand this?

No, but you saying it is evidence!!

This a direct quote from you:

But I'm shocked and deeply disappointed by just how antisemitic Ireland in general has turned out to be (and no, I'm not Jewish).

When I pulled up another poster for saying Ireland is the most antisemetic in Europe by quoting ADL survey, you were quiet happy to jump in on their side by stating "that is only because there are few Jews to be antisemetic to".

This is not how antisemetism is judged, and you are contradicting yourself in the above post saying saying certain Muslim countries are more antisemetic than us, when they likely have even less Jews living in them.

Here, a few posts back, saying Irelands media is "antisemetic".

but hey, Ireland's media is not in the least bit antisemitic, just on Hamas' side, that's all.

Do you have any proof that Irelands media targets and demonizes Jewish people?

You said Dublin city council is antisemetic on another thread, and wants to erase Jewish history in this country.

You place councilors considering renaming a park as antisemetic (whilst not only ignoring, but refuting that it is a protest that the person who the park is named for's son being head of state of a country engaging in what we are all told is a genocide).

Afterall, before said ethnic cleansing policies the name of the park was happily unchanged, which it couldn't have been if Irelands enormous antisemetism is the cause.

Your views are nothing else but labelling Irelands criticism of Israels crimes as being against Jews, when there isn't data or history to back this up. Your pov is impossible without implicitly conflating the crimes of Israel as the crimes of Jews.

Kind of amazing that the United States haven't achieved their goal of removing her from her role. She's a very brave woman.

Those peace loving football hooligans who the Israeli bought UK govt wanted roaming the streets of Birmingham

This thread seems to be turning into a series of Haaretz lifts……….with the accompanying emotive script .

Not really a discussion anymore.