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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,311 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Banzai600


    i commend them if this is indeed the case, they were i think on their way a couple of yrs ago to over a quarter of the emissions around the planet or similar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,311 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yeah because we keep buying their stuff. Now they have solar farms the size of the city of Bristol with fruit growing underneath them. The "But China" thing is meaningless nowadays, especially when westerners always polluted more per capita than them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Banzai600


    i saw a recent news report about china and the far east, they will possibly overtake "the west ", their tech / transport etc is off the charts, even down to them having the most powerful processors and chips etc its clear they may not need to rely on anyone but themselves soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,311 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Well it takes us idiots 10 years to build a cycle lane in case it scares some old people. We deserve what we get.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,599 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The problem with solar panels is not that around 90% of them can be recycled. It`s that around 90% of them are being dumped in landfill because it`s not economically viable to recycle them. They contain lead, cadmium and antimony, all of which are human carcinogens.

    But regardless of that, I just do not get this idea that we should be pouring money into the most intermittent of intermittent renewables as a source of grid supply. Their 12 month rolling capacity factor for Ireland is just 11%, and in mid-Winter with 17.5 hours of darkness when our demand is greatest it`s ~5%.

    The other thing with solar is that it generates DC electricity and our grid is AC. It requires inverters for conversion and the recent Iberian Peninsula blackout was due to inverters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,988 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Most solar panels maintain reliable performance for 25-30 years. They don’t suddenly stop working at this age; instead, their efficiency gradually decreases by approximately 0.5% to 0.8% annually. After 25 years, a typical high-quality panel still operates at 80-90% of its original capacity.

    https://www.okonrecycling.com/renewables-recycling/solar-panel-recycling/solar-panel-recycling-after-25-years/

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,599 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    China like all the major emitters have made it clear that when it comes to emissions their priorities are affordable electricity domestically and the cost of electricity in relation too their economies, and will do whatever it takes to protect both.

    Despite giving a commitment to reduce their use of coal in generation, China`s use of coal has risen from 3.9 billion tons in 2020 to 4.76 billion tons in 2024. In the same period India`s has increased its use by 43% and Indonesia by 150%. In August 2023 new coal plants to provide 243 GW were reported approved. 2024 Construction started on coal plants for 95 GW of that approval. That 95 GW is 2.5 times the U.K. peak demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,887 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    COP30 has adopted an agreement to assist funding poorer countries with climate adaption, but not mitigation.

    Fossil fuels are not mentioned.

    "We should support it because at least its going in the right direction", shrugged EU spokeman Wopke Hoekstra.

    In my view, Ireland should immediately rescind its climate budget and carbon taxes. It is obvious that we are needlessly tying one hand behind our own backs, and financially penalising those in our society least able to afford it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Irelands political leadership hold the EU presidency for the second half of next year, they will in "best boys in Europe" mode to show their fealty to our Brussels overlords at the next UN COP trade show in Turkey. Meanwhile An Taisce and other eNGOs will be content with more taxpayer funding, the latest "nationally determined contribution" contains the following Orwellian newspeak "resilience to disinformation".

    The EU recognises climate education and training as a strategic enabler for the green
    transition, essential for fostering an informed understanding of the climate crisis, building
    resilience to disinformation
    and creating a sustainability-skilled workforce to meet the
    growing demands of the growing green-tech labour market. Building resilience to
    disinformation is crucial, as it threatens climate ambition, fuels polarisation, and undermines
    the public support we urgently need.

    Existing EU initiatives, such as the “Education for Climate Coalition”, the “GreenComp”
    European sustainability competence framework and the Council Recommendation on
    Learning for green transition and sustainable development, support Member States in
    embedding climate education across formal education, vocational training and lifelong
    learning systems
    . source


    Remember Enda Kenny, those with longer memories may remember Mayo Renewable Power. i.e. game plan cut down trees in South America, ship them to Foynes in Co Limerick and truck them them up to Mayo. It went bust, how much grant money did it swallow?

    It seems Enda lining up for another bite of the renewables tax pie, this time they will be trying to capture taxpayer subsidies with the carbon capture storage (CCS) schemes, you know, to meet the climate targets imposed on us. i.e, eyeing some of that MNC cash that revenue collects. 2023: Ireland to develop carbon capture but 'can't use that as cover' for fossil fuels - Climate Minister 😒

    Carbon Collect, the Irish-led direct air capture (DAC) company, has appointed Caroline Keeling to its board as it plans to raise between $70m (€60.7m) and $80m next year to commercialise its technology. source


    CCS schemes are expensive, heavily subsidized with a huge track record of failure. In the UK the current Labour government under Ed Milliband are pushing CCS: Half a Trillion For Carbon Capture

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    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,988 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    italy bans ground mounted solar on agricultural land. not before time imho.

    should be covering every commercial and domestic roof first

    https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/italy-split-possible-solar-plant-curbs-that-may-jeopardise-green-goals-2024-05-06/

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    China: We really need to help the global South with climate change.
    EU: Yes we do.
    China: We’re stepping up. We’re driving down the cost of solar panels for them.
    EU: Super!
    China: But we’re disappointed in the EU
    EU: What us? We don’t make solar panels!
    China: But you have credit
    EU: Credit?
    China: Yes, they don’t have enough money to buy our solar panels so you could help by extending them a line of credit.
    EU: That makes total sense! You’ll make the solar panels as cheap as possible and we’ll help them buy them!
    China: That brilliant. It was kind of your idea though, we’ll let you have the limelight and announce it at a press conference.
    EU: That is SO generous of you. EU commits $638 million to scale up renewables in nine African countries



    Meanwhile in Ireland Cop30: Irish Minister commits to supporting poorest nations, but concerns over climate funding remain

    It also shows the contribution to the Loss and Damage Fund should be €1.5 billion annually. It has pledged €25 million.

    “The numbers seem big but we have the means to raise the money,” Ms Loughran said.

    If we had a wealth tax, an aviation tax and removed fossil fuel subsidies, we could raise €9 billion a year.

    For background Trocaire is a member of the Climate Action Network (CAN) and has been for years. CAN is a political entity registered in Germany and headquartered in Beirut, Lebanon. It was founded a year after the UN IPCC was launched. Central to CAN’s advocacy is the idea that member organizations must "speak with one voice" to influence international negotiations. In practice it is dominated by large organizations such as Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth and a handful of others, all the other members follow along. Trocaire is carrying water for someone else.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭bluedex


    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    There are currently about 29 active volcanoes. A single volcano emits as much CO2 in 2 seconds as the entire human race does in a year.

    So much for the fairy tale of man-made climate change and emissions schtick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭PommieBast




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,375 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You bumped the thread for this? Source please.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Don't worry about volcanoes, alarmists are quite happy for you to go down that rat hole, it does not challenge their belief in "the science" of catastrophic anthopogenic global warming. Instead, take a bit of time and wrap your head around this youtube presentation from Rob Louw. If you are skeptical, you need to learn why the alarmist narrative pushed across the media has gaping holes in it. For instance if we were to burn all the known reserves of oil and gas, it would only put ~200 PPM extra CO2 into the atmosphere. This would not have any measurable impact on temperature, it would be a continued boost for plant fertilization, a growing global population needs food and energy.


    Alarmists rely on computer model projections that sound "sciencey", yet have no demonstrated skill at future prediction of future weather patterns and only function to propagate the scientists errors. In recent years the media have promoted weather attribution studies to drive the narrative, this is pseudoscience, a more apt description for this latest method is weather alchemy.


    The European Union and British governing administrations have an obsession with reaching 1990 C02 levels. In the 35 years since then the world has changed. The EU's share in the world greenhouse gas emissions fell from 15.2% in 1990 to 6.0% in 2023. Europe has been de-industrializing, this is accelerating now that Russian gas is hard to get, and this loss of power is reflected in the outcome of the recent UN COP30 conference in Brazil. The rest of the world is not bound by EU regulations.


    If you want to get an overview of the background to UN COP negotiations, from the beginning of the UN EP in the early 70's to today have a read of the following article.

    The West vs. the Rest: How developing countries took control of climate negotiations and what that means for emission reduction.

    Unsurprisingly however negotiators from the majority of countries – not just the Arab oil producers as some commentators suggested, but also major countries such as India, China, Indonesia and other developing countries whose economies and peoples’ welfare depend on fossil fuels – showed no interest in the idea and the COP President simply ignored it. Humiliatingly the objectors climbed down. And the words ‘fossil fuels’ were not even included in the finally agreed text.lvi

    This astute comment on the failure of COP30 was made by Li Shuo of the Asia Society (described as ‘a long-time observer of climate politics’):

    This partly reflects the power shift in the real world, the emerging power of the BASIC and BRICs countries, and the decline of the European Union’.lvii



    EU states and the UK must climb down on net zero or we will face economic collapse sooner than later. The world is pushing back, the car companies are pushing back even some large unions are breaking ranks on the climate narrative.

    Exclusive: Qatar's energy minister warns EU law could stop it supplying LNG to Europe

    Qatar supplies between 12% and 14% of Europe's LNG since Russia's 2022 invasion of Ukraine. QatarEnergy has long-term supply contracts with Britain's Shell, France's TotalEnergies and Italy's ENI

    European Union Reportedly Pushing Ban on New ICE Cars Back to 2040

    'We would survive'; Labour minister mocks threat by party's largest union paymaster to sever ties

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,655 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Be careful. You need to know people making that claim are flying blind on their estimates and are unable to quantify the volumes of natural sources of CO2. University of Manchester is working on sensor technology which could be useful in future when monitoring volcanoes and be able to predict eruptions. They reckon based on their monitoring the output of C02 could be 3 times the previous estimates. See Quantification of low-temperature gas emissions reveals CO2 flux underestimates at Soufrière Hills volcano, Montserrat

    In addition back in 2023 there were more than 19,000 undersea volcanoes discovered which brings the total north of 40,000 undersea mounts. Those things create their own upwelling of minerals and gases., the effects are as yet unknown. The problem with the claims and counter claims over volcano emissions is that neither side can yet quantify the volumes of C02 output from volcanos. Our grasp of Earth’s complex systems is shakier than we’d like to admit.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    One year vs. 2 seconds is clearly BS but I can believe that the quantity released is still significant when compared to fossil fuel emissions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Curious, an advertising campaign funded by Wind Energy Ireland under the moniker build our grid has started in the last few weeks pumping out short videos fronted by Dr. Paul Deane pushing "ruinable energy". This is at the same time the commission for regulation of utilities (CRU) has approved (Price Review 6) upping our electricity bills yet again: Your Electricity Bill is Going Up: The Massive €19bn Reason for Ireland's Latest Price Hike

    “As a guide over the five years, the CRU expects the average annual increase for a typical domestic customer’s network tariff to be around €12. This may increase to as much as €21 if the high investment case is realised.”

    Beginning in late 2025/early 2026, your bill will reflect:

    Increased Network Charges (€1.00 - €1.75 monthly increase)

    A reduced PSO Levy (to help offset grid costs)

    Variable wholesale generation costs

    9% VAT (Standard Rate): source

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    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.thejournal.ie/green-party-greenhouse-gas-emissions-target-6920248-Jan2026/

    We could be fined €28bn for not meeting our own targets. For comparison that's about €5,500 per person or about half what FF imposed on us via the bank bailout back in 2009

    Another way to look at it is 86,880 bike shelters at €322,282 each

    There's a slight sense of irony that the greens are complaining about it, as if they weren't somewhat in power for 5 of the last 6 years

    Post edited by Red Silurian on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    Interesting that the calls come from the left of the political spectrum. Any Irish government that pays that will collapse, most likely they will pretend and extend and try re-frame it as an "investment" and throw more subsides at the usual suspects, more ruin-able energy, more heat pump subsidies, more EV charging, grid upgrades and more green industrial strategies. Except, our government are running the country into a hard stop as Overloaded energy grid threatens to delay major transport projects including Metrolink.

    The ESB told high-ranking civil servants that “significant additional electricity network reinforcements are required”.

    By the end of the decade, Corrib gas is gone, the UKs energy problems are our problems. The signs are already there. Eirgrid has been running extension leads to the UK rather than build new plant for reliable generation, gas supply via the Moffat line from Scotland will come under strain in periods of high demand and due to the closure of uneconomic pipelines in the North Sea. The price of electricity will continue to climb in the UK, how much depends on future political change in the UK.

    Further afield: Netherlands' renewables drive putting pressure on its power grid and Norway turning away from electricity interconnection, both are connected to the UK. In Germany: German utilities call for crisis electricity reserve following Berlin outage

    European Union states, the UK and Australia are the only parts of the world still pursuing "net zero" policies. The post world war order is likely to be very different. A Russian victory would take down most of the significant leaders across the EU and energy policy plays a pivotal role in that outcome.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,154 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Considering the new world order we should consider some nuclear power here now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,331 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    The ESB are trying to upgrade, but as a procurement manager told me they are small fry in the business and are fighting for scraps on a global market in terms of hardware



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Nobody knows the lifespan because they have just been created, some accountant says "25 years", so it gets depreciated over that period.

    Perhaps good, likely not.

    Reality is that other tech in next years will make it irrelevant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    They likely won't have a choice but to pay the fines, which are worth half of the bank bailout. They paid 60bn for the banks 20 odd years ago and are in power still so not sure it would collapse the govt. The EU will make a small fortune on these fines and might use them to invest in green initiatives as you say but I wouldn't be so sure. A better move would be for our own govt to invest that 28bn over the next 4 years, or a fairly achievable average of about 7bn a year, and maybe get a reward grant, instead of a fine, for our efforts in 2030

    This govt under FF/FG and most recently helped by the so-called-greens cut many of the subsidies for EVs, heat pumps, home insulation and home solar panels, now we're being told that petrol cars are on the rise again and we are going to miss our targets. It really doesn't take a genius to see what has happened here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Trump is calling it for what it is.

    New green scam.

    Imagine, they, along with Chinese are laughing their ass over how much our people got brainwashed.

    This is what he said at Davos. The horror!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,887 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Interesting take, considering that it is the increased atmospheric instability driven by global temperature increase, attributable to anthropomorphic greenhouse gas production, that has the entire continental United States in a record deep freeze as we speak.

    Ice storms in Shreveport, Louisiana and Jackson Mississippi are not normal.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles




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