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Trump - The positives - (see Mod note in OP)

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  • #842
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,099 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124062601#Comment_124062601

    Maduro is a continuation of left wing ideologue dictators who impoverish their own people. I 100% support their liberation and if Trump gets the job done (preferably without a war) then great.

    If Trump removes Maduro without a war you still won't give him any credit for it.



  • #843
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,370 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124062635#Comment_124062635

    So once again, you can't actually give a positive. Just more tedious drivel.

    This just looks like yet another diversion from the Epstein files. Even if it happens, it'll just be another half-baked Trump project immiserating significant amounts of people.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #844
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,671 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124062549#Comment_124062549

    This is a thread about the positives…list them.

    n that regard there is no doubt he is the most consequential (I won't say the best because that's subjective) president since Lincoln, maybe ever.

    This statement is hilarious.

    Unlike Obama Trump is actually delivering the change he promised the voters.

    No he isn't.

    No one gave him the chance more than the Democrats.

    Google translate.



  • #845
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,671 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124062635#Comment_124062635

    If Trump removes Maduro without a war you still won't give him any credit for it.

    How would he remove him without a war?



  • #846
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,099 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124062688#Comment_124062688

    He can blockade oil shipments. Easiest way.



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  • #847
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,671 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124062699#Comment_124062699

    …what? Explain this.



  • #848
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124062549#Comment_124062549

    His only permanent consequence is utterly torpedoing American diplomatic relations and standing globally. Those things take time to recover, if ever. He has probably permanently undermined trust in America - that is likely irrevocable.

    Domestically however, while he is a wrecking ball, he is so utterly incompetent and his administration so weak that he is accomplishing nothing via statute and everything via dictat. That is not how you leave a legacy as it can all be reversed with a snap of the fingers.



  • #849
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,212 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124062588#Comment_124062588

    Were the Iraqi people liberated in 2003? Were the Libyans liberated in 2011? The Afghans in 2001?

    Hegseth or Trump, or you yourself don't give half a toss about the Venezuelans no matter what way you all talk about their people and their supposed need for liberation.



  • #850
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124062966#Comment_124062966

    Where the Afghans liberated? Yeah pretty much. Especially the women. Things are certainly much worse there now.

    Were the Iraqi people liberated? Again, kind of. They have a semblance of a democratic system now. That wasn't the purpose of the invasion of course, it was ill conceived and largely driven by nothing other than blood lust.

    Not sure what Libya has to do with anything. Memories of that intervention seem perverted but it was a limited action to stop Gaddafi absolutely massacring opposition forces a la Syria.

    Neither Trump nor Hegseth have an altruistic bone in their body and there is certainly nothing positive to come from their machinations in Venezuela. But the deposition of Maduro woud be, in isolation, a good thing - he is a murderous dictator who is absolutely destroying the country.

    Post edited by Podge_irl on


  • #851
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,778 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Did Iraq not invade somewhere?



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  • #852
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124063003#Comment_124063003

    Kuwait but that was the first gulf War in 91. Not generally mentioned cause it is one of those ones were the US were unquestionably in the right.



  • #853
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,778 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The second one the Iraq could have possibly avoided if they played nice with the UN inspectors and the US. Especially with the US spoiling for regime change and looking for any excuse to bomb things.

    US foreign policy is like a mechanic who says he'll fix your car so you'll never have engine problems again. Then rips out the entire engine. No engine no engine problems. They may have left you worse off. But they have fixed the first problem. Then they bill you for it.



  • #854
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,370 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124063195#Comment_124063195

    Nonsense. They were always going to find an excuse. The only thing Iraq's behaviour would have changed are the details.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #855
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,778 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    They played the "Iraq bluff" cat and mouse for over a decade. Just to antagonise the US. I guess you could say Trump would have just done a deal on the oil and not spent money on a war.



  • #856
    sprucemoose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124062966#Comment_124062966

    there is no 'supposed' about it, he is a dictator plain and simple who is starving his own people. what exactly will happen if maduro is removed is hard to tell (my pessimism tells me it might not be the saving grace that so many are hoping for) but it is almost impossible for it to make things worse



  • #857
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,212 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124063444#Comment_124063444

    If America genuinely cared about the welfare of the people living under the control of such people, they would be putting their energy in to optimizing the potential of the UN. Rather than treating that institution like their own safe space where they get to call the shots to administer pseudo collaboration between countries.

    Maduro isn't significantly different to Putin, and America/Trump are effectively siding with him with respect to his invasion of Ukraine or with him against European interests more widely speaking.



  • #858
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,214 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124062635#Comment_124062635

    As opposed to a right wing ideologue dictator who impovrishes his own people by imposing tariffs that increase prices, reduce medical cover (still waiting for that plan), reduce veterans benefits, destroy agricultural exports, destroy the tourism industry, lift people off the streets and disappear them without due legal process, ...



  • #859
    sprucemoose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124063507#Comment_124063507

    i dont disagree with the first paragraph to be honest, but i dont see what that has to do with my original reply - you said there was a 'supposed need for liberation' and i corrected you in that there is a definite need for it



  • #860
    sprucemoose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124063444#Comment_124063444

    both are c**ts and when it comes down to it they are quite similar - maduro is a 'socialist' in name only



  • #861
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,212 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124063681#Comment_124063681

    If the UN functioned as it could and should, there wouldn't be a need for military intervention.

    I thought that was obvious.

    You can't just state that someone needs to be removed without considering the manner in which it can be done and the impact of any such action. You have to consider if the cure may be worse than the disease.



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  • #862
    Dr Robert
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    Venezuela having the largest oil reserves in the world has nothing to do with this of course...

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  • #863
    saabsaab
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124063701#Comment_124063701

    Of course not!



  • #864
    sprucemoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124063691#Comment_124063691

    i did though? i said it is hard to tell exactly what would happen if maduro is gone, but it is almost impossible that it would make things worse since the situation is so bad



  • #865
    Nody
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124065304#Comment_124065304

    Afghanistan… If you think Maduro is a one man show there you are very much wrong (the whole thing is set to milk money to the people in power); it would descend at best into a civil war but much more likely a bunch of murder hobbos trying to set up their own areas of control to grab as much power / money as they can. Oh and here's the real kicker all Trump wannabies fail to take into account; it will trigger an even bigger wave of immigration from there to the USA as they flee the disaster created there.



  • #866
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124065411#Comment_124065411

    Is Afghanistan worse now? It seems to mostly have just reverted to where it was, and for a great many people it was better for 20 years in the middle.

    Immigration from Venezuela is already at record levels and they have plenty of dictator murder squads as it is.

    Nobody sane thinks that Trump is potentially intervening in Venezuela for good reasons, or that he has any kind of plan of what to do. It quite possibly could make things worse, but it could quite possibly make things better also. The current situation is incredibly, incredibly bad.



  • #867
    Ozymandius2011
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    Putin expressing support for Maduro. But gow far is he prepared to go to support him? He is tied down in a quagmire in Ukraine. He was unable to save Assad or protect Iran. Venezuela has the world's largest oil reserves but it's potential is squandered by a kleptocratic regime, just like in Russia where 50% of the population don't have an indoor toilet.



  • #868
    blackbox
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    Trump is right that Europe has been dependent on US military support.

    However, this has been US policy since WW2 with the intention of not allowing or encouraging European countries to have strong armies.

    Trump has now changed this which should be better for Europe in the long run. Ireland needs to get its finger out regarding self defence.



  • #869
    sprucemoose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124065411#Comment_124065411

    something like that would be my fear too tbh, but the hope is that the democratically elected government that actually won the election last year would be able to take power if maduro is removed

    i dont personally believe it would be that easy to be honest, however i understand why the people actually there and closer to the situation than i am are clinging to anything that shows signs of positivity at this stage



  • #870
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,099 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Well done to President Trump on the social media ban for would-be visitors.👏

    Quite a few of the anti-American posters here might not get in to the US anymore, nor quite a few Irish politicians. The people shouting loudest about it are those with the problem.

    We need to challenge hate in all it's forms and anti-Americanism is one of those in Ireland that is truly sickening especially when they are putting the bread and butter on the table and defending us.

    Michaél is out putting a brave face on it but honestly I think most people will welcome the exposing of the hypocrisy we see out there from certain public figures mostly on the left.

    Mod: warned for trolling.

    Post edited by Seth Brundle on


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  • #871
    astrofool
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124067095#Comment_124067095

    But, Kermit.de.frog, you made so many posts on trump about how unsuitable he is for president in the election threads and that the republicans should have picked a different candidate, do you think that would make the bar for a ban on entry?

    Post edited by astrofool on


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