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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Yes, you are digging a bigger hole for yourself all right, because you do not mind a Republican in a tricolour balaclava, like the fellow in Kneecap. In fact, like most if not all Republicans, you are in favour of Kneecap, but if it was a Loyalist wearing a union flag…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Again desperate to get your cudgel out and ignore the central point.

    Being mature enough not to allow folk hijack flags.

    You obviously are not able ti do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    This is the key and Francies statement:

    “There are many many instances where families claim the BA, UDR, RUC, B-Specials could have arrested people but chose to kill instead”

    Families claim

    I think we all know if the British Army had set out to kill people, they had the firepower to make Gazza look like a tea party.  

    It’s a crazy argument you’re making



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Israeli’s are not being covert and have announced ytgat they are at war.
    The British were pretending to be paragons of democracy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The Irish security forces killed some IRA / republican activists too. I suppose you will condemn them too and say the government here was pretending to be paragons of democracy and in line with the President of the party you follow, you will say the only true army of Ireland during the troubles was the IRA, the military wing of your beloved party?

    Trouble is, not many people will think they were very democratic. And a questionable attitude towards human rights. But you condemn the British government, the Irish government, and you have consistently failed to condemn the paramilitaries, saying there was no alternative etc.

    Let us remember that early in the conflict, Sinn Féin, under Adams' influence, held an abstentionist policy, refusing to take seats in the Irish parliament (Oireachtas) because they did not recognise the legitimacy of the partitioned 26-county Irish state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Look over there at anything other than the government with responsibility.

    Pathetic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I thought a few regular posters on here would enjoy this as it seems to fit fairly closely with their narrative https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1FhJoa9Sdt/?mibextid=wwXIfr



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    It seems you get your kicks from reading the thoughts of bigoted racists on Facebook.

    Not too far removed from that Bryson lad you seem to enjoy linking to as well. I can't abide any of that "them-uns" nonsense although you seem to quite like Bryson's sh it e. Just look at these similarities in language between the bigoted nonsense you've linked to here and Bryson's words in his self-penned letter to the Irish News. I'll quote him directly…

    "Nationalism/republicanism’s supremacist mindset is out of control, and unionism/loyalism should have said enough is enough long ago. This mindset pervades throughout all aspects of nationalism/republicanism, even the supposedly ‘softer’ manifestations thereof. It is so ingrained, it has become normalised."

    Bigoted, prejudiced nonsense.

    BOTH articles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Bryson, if you read anything he says, is actually quite moderate by comparison when you look at the extremist tripe from An Claíomh Solais. This sort of propaganda reminds me of schooldays, when some of the teachers used to reel of this propaganda to make people hate the protestants, thus making it easier to eliminate them: Quote:

    They are, according to the best records of the time, descended from "the worst scum of both countries", referring to England and Scotland, when they were run off their own land and driven into the North of Ireland by anglos who saw it as killing two birds with one stone.There they began a generations, centuries-long campaign of genocide, murder, rape, theft and slaughter against their own close kin, targeting in particular women and children, that put the most grotesque ambitions of the Third Reich to shame.

    In some quarters, "It is so ingrained, it has become normalised."

    It is a shame some people cannot just see people as people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I couldn’t disagree with a word of what he says

    "Nationalism/republicanism’s supremacist mindset is out of control, and unionism/loyalism should have said enough is enough long ago. This mindset pervades throughout all aspects of nationalism/republicanism, even the supposedly ‘softer’ manifestations thereof. It is so ingrained, it has become normalised."

    Just look at the last few weeks.
    putting a flag up at midnight on the city hall to show their supremacy (even though they know the court would have stopped it)

    Now this week complaining about union in flags up, yet supporting Irish language signs where 85% of people oppose them.
    I could go on and on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nationalism/republicanism’s supremacist mindset is out of control,

    Jamie, like other belligerent Unionists/Loyalists is simply unable to handle the out-workings of democracy and equality at work.
    'Please, we must have our veto back' is the goal, which he won't achieve.

    * The 'court' refused to order the flag be taken down. The rush to lawfare was a bust on that front. The rush to lawfare re: the Irish language also probably a bust too. Just a delaying tactic that will give the bigot blogger a little of what he craves -attention.

    Jamie gets his way and local government grinds to a standstill, what a win for the UK Union advocates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    So you believe that a "supremacist mindset" is ingrained in all nationalists/republicans even the "softer manifestations" ????!!!

    The articles you link are full of "theys" and "thems". Perfect for simple easily-influenced minds.

    Social media has a lot to answer for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    "It is a shame some people cannot just see people as people"

    Spot on Francis! Couldn't agree more.

    My point was that Bryson's "they and them" language is remarkably similar to that from the post linked by the original poster who seems to be a bit of a Bryson fan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    My point was that Bryson's "they and them" language is remarkably similar to that from the post linked by the original poster who seems to be a bit of a Bryson fan.

    The problem of course is that Bryson has influence with political parties and Unionist leaders are happy to share platforms with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Bryson justs says how some Republicans are indoctrinated to hate Protestants / people from the PUL community in N.I. Not an unreasonable observation when you have Republican extremists like "An Cliamh Solais", who have 79,000 followers on facebook alone, making comments about the Protestants that they indulge in a "campaign of genocide, murder, rape, theft and slaughter against their own close kin, targeting in particular women and children, that put the most grotesque ambitions of the Third Reich to shame".

    In other news today, I see a headline in the Irish Times there are discrepancies in SF's accounts:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    Could you link me to where Bryson uses the word "some" please?

    Only 1 word but it would make a massive difference to the message that he's putting out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    It was you who quoted Bryson without giving a link - see post 4240. Where did you get that supposed quote from?

    In contrast, there was a link for the quote from "An Cliamh Solais".

    I gave a link also for the article in todays paper about SF "forgetting" to include property in their accounts recently.

    N.B. In case "An Cliamh Solais" never noticed, not all people from the PUL community are the same, just as people from the CRN community are not the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    downcon is one of the 79,000.

    ‘Followers’ is never an indication of support.

    I’d nearly follow that page for the ludicrous take on history.

    I ‘follow’ Bryson and others but certainly don’t support their views



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You obviously do not know what it means to be a follower.

    Being a follower on Facebook means you've chosen to see someone's public posts in your News Feed. Downcow just quoted from the "An Cliamh Solais" facebook page. He or she did not say they were a follower. I sometimes in the past have looked at the facebook page of Gerry Adams or Mary Lou McD or Emma or Bryson or whoever but I do not follow any of them.

    Now stop diverting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes.
    And you may do that because of many reasons not necessarily because you support them.

    I try my best to have as diverse a range of opinions on my feeds.

    Folk who want to be well informed and who don’t kneejerk or stereotype will do the same. And some (many IMO) follow for the giggles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    Here's the link Francis : https://www.irishnews.com/opinion/jamie-bryson-parades-like-irish-language-signs-should-only-need-15-support-in-community-NCIRB5BXHRCCLELJL5NHPZDBVI/

    He spouted this sectarian bile just a few months ago (April 2025).

    At no point does he use the word "some" in fact he emphasises that he is speaking about all the Taigs as he says: "all aspects of nationalism/republicanism, even the supposedly ‘softer’ manifestations thereof"

    Do you still think that it's "not an unreasonable observation"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    It is not necessary to "follow" someone o facebook "in order to be well informed". In fact I would say many of the 79,000 followers of the Republican facebook page I mentioned are not particularly well informed when they follow (and lots "like" and comment in agreement) with statements such as the one about Protestants that they engage in a "campaign of genocide, murder, rape, theft and slaughter against their own close kin, targeting in particular women and children, that put the most grotesque ambitions of the Third Reich to shame".

    I pity people like that so indoctrinated.

    What did you think about the article in todays paper (link supplied) about SF "forgetting" to include property in their accounts recently. I suppose you are hardly surprised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The 'likes' thing doesn't even stack up.

    Majority of the 'likes' Claíomh gets is on far right style immigration posts. The rest of their dribble hardly get into double figures.

    Now who in NI would be closely associated with far right views on immigration only Bryson's party de jour - the TUV. TUV would be more likely to be 'liking' posts on that page than anyone else. 😁

    P.S. If SF have broken rules on declaring property they should face the same sanctions as others who have done the same thing.

    BTW, if you are serious about being informed then you will be following many accounts you do not agree with.

    If you are randomly 'having a look' at pages then you aren't really serious about using the algorithms properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You did not quote the important part of the link though, where Bryson rightfully makes the point not everyone is the same.

    "The trope that will come back is ‘oh but Irish is for everyone, some Protestants spoke it’. Yes, the RUC was open to everyone as well, and many Catholics served in it. When will nationalists/republicans be embracing the legacy of the RUC and taking ownership of it?"

    Not all Catholics are the same, there were some in the RUC, I even know some who vote unionist. Similarily not all from the PUL community are the same, look at Linda Irvine.

     



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The 'RUC' that had to have a name change/reorganisation because of it's 'legacy'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Our national phone provider Telecom Eireann becaome Eircom which became Eir, so what? Our HSE was not always known as the HSE, ; before 2005 it was known as regional health boards before being consolidated in to one body. Organisations change name the whole time. Anco became Fas became something else. Now stop diverting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Rubbish. There are hundreds of politicians and many extremist groups. Some post half a dozen times a day or more. If you followed all of them, and had all of them going in to your newsfeed and you somehow attempted to read all of the posts from all politicians and all facebook political groups, I think you would find even you who is on boards 60 or 80 hours per week would not have time to read them all.

    You are missing the point anyway.

    Bryson justs says how some Republicans are indoctrinated to hate Protestants / people from the PUL community in N.I. As noted before, not an unreasonable observation when you have Republican extremists like "An Cliamh Solais", who have 79,000 followers on facebook alone, making comments about the Protestants that they indulge in a (quote) "campaign of genocide, murder, rape, theft and slaughter against their own close kin, targeting in particular women and children, that put the most grotesque ambitions of the Third Reich to shame".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,065 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    😁😁
    The RUC was renamed and re-organised in order to build a police force that could be trusted. This was on foot of the Patten Commission's findings.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    As a southerner I always trusted the RUC. Always were polite and efficient with me. I trusted them more than I trusted Telecom Eireann anyway. I was waiting a year to get a fixed line phone off them back in the eighties. Then they changed their name to Eircom and swindled half the country out of their savings. Now known as Eir.

    Now stop diverting.



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